Rouse KO'd cold.

Runnin said:
Ronda was never out cold though she got her bell rung several times. She was dazed for a few seconds after the kick and hitting the canvas but none of those punches while she was down connected cleanly. Her main injury today is still her pride.

But that doesn't change the fact that serious injury or death is always a possibility, even with the referee standing right there to stop it. Still the public has an insatiable appetite for this and the demand isn't going away. Boxing, wrestling, judo, karate, etc. weren't enough. They wanted MMA. We're more likely to see something even worse than we are to see it banned because it's too dangerous.

I think the best safety measure is making sure both fighters are evenly matched but it's a fine line. Dana White and his promoters want to see a butt kicking but not a big injury. I guess they are drooling at the thought of a rematch.
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This is exactly the kind of thinking that is dangerous. "Getting your bell rung" is a concussion. I watched the replay to see what you guys are talking about. She was concussed.
 
gilesfan said:
The first article discusses a guy that fought in un sanctioned street fights. Your third one (which is regurgiation of the 2nd one) stated this:

There is little empirical data, though, on its relative safety.

The study conducted by Prof. Hutchison and doctors at St. Michael’s Hospital in Toronto did not involve actual medical diagnosis of MMA fighters.
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lol. Still an idiot.

The "medical diagnosis" isn't necessary. If you get knocked out, THAT IS A CONCUSSION. KO = concussion. Repeated concussions = bad brain.

And no, I stopped watching as much football as I used to, mostly because I find the sport barbaric as well. Call me a pussy if you want. Won't make you less of a moron.
 
holden said:
This is exactly the kind of thinking that is dangerous. "Getting your bell rung" is a concussion. I watched the replay to see what you guys are talking about. She was concussed.
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The condition of her brain 20 or 30 years from now is an issue but that's on her. She's a fighter by her own choosing. Without hard knocks to the head I don't know how much of the sport, and many others, is left. People come to those events to see someone get hit hard and go down.

Maybe you're further evolved but there's an element of danger to most everything. My doctor tells me to never eat shellfish but I'm not giving up scallops or shrimp.
 
Runnin said:
The condition of her brain 20 or 30 years from now is an issue but that's on her. She's a fighter by her own choosing. Without hard knocks to the head I don't know how much of the sport, and many others, is left. People come to those events to see someone get hit hard and go down.
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I would argue that it's not just on her - it's on us as a society. But I know I'm tilting at windmills here.

I suspect that football will not exist in its current form in 20 years. MMA may (hopefully will) be the same. It will just take time for people to accept it for what it is.
 
holden said:
lol. Still an idiot.

The "medical diagnosis" isn't necessary. If you get knocked out, THAT IS A CONCUSSION. KO = concussion. Repeated concussions = bad brain.

And no, I stopped watching as much football as I used to, mostly because I find the sport barbaric as well. Call me a pussy if you want. Won't make you less of a moron.
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How often can you tell if a fighter is knocked out cold or not? If you are going by knocked out cold, there are very few of theses instances in sanctioned MMA fights. FYI, Rousey went to the hospital and she did not have a concussion.

So using Saturday night as an example; 13 fights (26 fighters). There were 2 KOs. Rousey didn't get concussed; not sure if Anthony Perosh was concussed or not. So, at best 1 out of 26 fighters suffered a concussion and all will be on the sideline a couple months at the very leaset.
 
gilesfan said:
THis is lol worthy.
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http://mic.com/articles/117340/this...n-when-you-get-punched-in-the-head#.bvgkAsbku

What we're talking about here is severe blows to the head happening all the time. You do realize there's several grades to a concussion, and symptoms can linger or go away. I was hit in the head by a log falling once, got my bell rung, shook my head and was fine. Someone else might have had other issues.

In no time you'll see MMA fighters with the same issues as boxers of NFL players. Sport if benefitting from being severely young.
 
zitothebrave said:
http://mic.com/articles/117340/this...n-when-you-get-punched-in-the-head#.bvgkAsbku

What we're talking about here is severe blows to the head happening all the time. You do realize there's several grades to a concussion, and symptoms can linger or go away. I was hit in the head by a log falling once, got my bell rung, shook my head and was fine. Someone else might have had other issues.

In no time you'll see MMA fighters with the same issues as boxers of NFL players. Sport if benefitting from being severely young.
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In the UFC, true TKO's are not common, and concussions (as they are medically defined) are not frequent. And the main difference compared with other sports like Boxing, football, and hockey is that fights are almost always stopped at the point where a fighter gets concussed (i.e. not able to defend themselves). But in football and Boxing, you are still able to continue and take more shots to the head. I mean just look at what happened with Julian Edelman in last year's super bowl. And in Boxing, basically the only thing you have to do is beat a 10 count back to your feet.

Not to mention, after a concussion UFC fighters are required to be down without even gym contact for at least 90 days. Whereas, in the NFL, you can return as soon as the following week from a "mild concussion" as long as you pass their concussion protocol.
 
Obviously talking to brick walls here. I'll leave this and we'll revisit this in 30 years.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/concussion/basics/symptoms/con-20019272

You can get a concussion adn still be able to defend yourself. They say the primary issue with football isn't the big hits, it's the constant hitting, that's what causes CTE.

I'm betting in 20-30 years (maybe less) we'll see MMA fighters with advanced CTE similar to football.
 
Clearly you don't know what a concussion actually is. Rouse was treated and determined she did not suffer a concussion. Not even a mild concussion. So I have no idea what sort of point you're trying to make.

No one is saying that blows to the head are good for you. But concussions are less prominent in the UFC and the concussion protocol is much safer than other sports, particularly football. Again, the UFC does not have even 1 injury resulting in serious injury or death.
 
My point is you can get over concussion symptoms almost immediately. Concussions cannot be picked up on CT scan, so only thing you can do is see if they're dazed. Which there are many many forms of concussions and many symptoms. If you read what I linked you to, you'd realize a fighter can easily have a concussion or multiple in a bought and not be "defenseless"
 
What I've learned here is the general public needs a lot of education about concussions.

Rousey had a concussion. I don't care what the official line is (btw, she is "medically suspended" for 60 days, and more pending a CT result). If you are "knocked out" - you are concussed. A concussion means your brain was hit hard enough to cause something to not function as well.. consciousness is one of the functions of the brain.

Here's another fact: often, concussion symptoms do not show up for hours to days after the initial trauma. Rashaen Mathis just got placed on the IR list with a "brain injury"... after passing his most recent concussion test. No decent neurologist would tell you immediately after that fight that Rousey did not have a concussion.

You cannot see a concussion on MRI or CT. It relies on a clinical diagnosis and requires the patient to be honest. In a lot of cases, you can "fake" a concussion test by lying about symptoms. And these athletes have a financial motivation to do just that - on top of whatever pressure the outfit is placing on them.

If she didn't have a concussion, why was she "medically suspended" for 60 days after the fight? If MMA is so safe, why did she require plastic surgery after the fight? BTW, another thing - I am surprised that they would put her under general anesthesia for what is essentially an elective procedure so soon after suffering head trauma. I know that I wouldn't be comfortable with that.
 
holden said:
What I've learned here is the general public needs a lot of education about concussions.

Rousey had a concussion. I don't care what the official line is (btw, she is "medically suspended" for 60 days, and more pending a CT result). If you are "knocked out" - you are concussed. A concussion means your brain was hit hard enough to cause something to not function as well.. consciousness is one of the functions of the brain.

Here's another fact: often, concussion symptoms do not show up for hours to days after the initial trauma. Rashaen Mathis just got placed on the IR list with a "brain injury"... after passing his most recent concussion test. No decent neurologist would tell you immediately after that fight that Rousey did not have a concussion.

You cannot see a concussion on MRI or CT. It relies on a clinical diagnosis and requires the patient to be honest. In a lot of cases, you can "fake" a concussion test by lying about symptoms. And these athletes have a financial motivation to do just that - on top of whatever pressure the outfit is placing on them.

If she didn't have a concussion, why was she "medically suspended" for 60 days after the fight? If MMA is so safe, why did she require plastic surgery after the fight? BTW, another thing - I am surprised that they would put her under general anesthesia for what is essentially an elective procedure so soon after suffering head trauma. I know that I wouldn't be comfortable with that.
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You don't know that she had a concussion....she wasn't knocked out cold and was tested for a concussion and passed.

SHe was medically suspended bc that's how they treat fighters. They don't let them fight multiple times per month. If this was the NFL, she would be back practicing the day after and playing in a game a week after while taking multiple shots to the head again.

There you go, implying she was lying. She must be lying and concussed! She has no motivation for lying, she's sidelined for 2 months already with or without a concussion. And if she was concussed, she would be sat for 6 months or more.

Fighters get medically suspended after every fight. All you are showing is ignorance. Wow, she needed plastic surgery to fix a cut.......hope she lives.
 
Did she or did she not lose consciousness?

Also, lol at "wow, she needed plastic surgery to fix a cut." Yeah, surgery is really trivial, especially after head trauma. And most people don't need surgery when they skin their knee.
 
holden said:
Did she or did she not lose consciousness?

Also, lol at "wow, she needed plastic surgery to fix a cut." Yeah, surgery is really trivial, especially after head trauma. And most people don't need surgery when they skin their knee.
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I don't know if she lost consciousness or not. You cannot tell except in the most extreme cases.
 
Yeah, when someone is on top of her punching her in the face and she's not reacting, she's unconsciousness.

LOC doesn't imply you're "knocked out cold," or whatever that means. A brief flash is loss of consciousness.
 
Or you know, this bit from that article

Ronda Rousey: Suspended 60 days with no contact for 45 days; additionally, suspended 180 days unless cleared with negative head CT scan.

Whcih to me screams the league things she was concussed.
 
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