Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

nsacpi said:
Source for denial of FISA warrant?

My understanding is that the application was made in October 2016. By that time the Trump campaign had disassociated itself from Page.

If you have information that indicates a different timeline I'd like to see it.
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http://theweek.com/speedreads/672504/famously-agreeable-fisa-court-reportedly-turned-down-fbi-request-monitor-trump-officials

The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (FISA) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The FISA court turned down the application, asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation. [The Guardian]
 
I feel the more they try to discredit the dossier and the investigation

And act like this memo is fact from this no talent ass clown

The pee tape must be real
 
I kinda laugh that we have gone from election rigging to ... Well the gop is a fool for trying to expose FBI corruption under Obama administration
 
thethe said:
So we can wash Obamas hands when his own DOJ was meeting with Fusion. Thats rich man. The FBI is the executive branch. A high level investigation like this will be briefed to the President and his advisors. To act like Obama didn't know about this is asinine.
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The FBI is the executive branch. And, post-Watergate, there were some rules and standards emplaced to give the agency a measure of independence and separation from political operations.

I'm not even sure what you're arguing here. You were alleging WH involvement in starting the investigation, not that they were ever briefed on it.

How about Flynn being watched? Thats all we know for now but I believe we will find out that there was more.
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Maybe he was. We don't know either way. But we can probably assume safely that the FBI was listening to the calls that led to his charges from the Russian side. And, yes, there probably is more on the surveillance front, but you've never really addressed the examples that we know DID happen.

But again - Why should we be giving the FBI the benefit of the doubt when it was clear they were in the tank for HRC? Are we supposed to ignore that.
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That's not at all clear. And I would suggest applying an appropriate amount of skepticism and scrutiny to ANY law enforcement agency proceeding, while also acknowledging that the internal standards and practices at FBI/DoJ now (as opposed to say, in the Hoover years) make the kind of thing that you're alleging sound rather far-fetched.
 
bravesnumberone said:
He is beyond objectivity. One need only examine numerous past statements. Shouldn't be difficult to grasp.
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And who is objective? Schiff who attempted to block the information that the Clinton campgaing funding the Dossier? Accusing anyone and everyone of being a Russian agent. Great character this one is.
 
sturg33 said:
I kinda laugh that we have to ... Well the gop is a fool for trying to expose FBI corruption under Obama administration
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you have gone from election tampering to that other thing --
because you have a pliable mind and little mental discipline
and therefore susceptible to frauds like Gary Johnson or the foolish tax give away to the 1%

So no, many have not in the least "gone from election rigging ... "

You should read more history
 
thethe said:
And who is objective? Schiff who attempted to block the information that the Clinton campgaing funding the Dossier? Accusing anyone and everyone of being a Russian agent. Great character this one is.
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Schiff never claimed nor ever was an objective character in this political play.

He is the Minority Chair -- representing (D) interests on the Intel Committee

As it is Nunes job to forward (R) concerns.

Getting tired of Schiff being characterized as shrill and get this one --- grandstanding.

He is the counterpart of Nunes ---

The fact that the Clinton Admin picked up the Steele investigation after the (R) left it does not change the fact that Don Jr, Manafort & Jared met with a Russian agent under the pretext of getting election dirt on HRC.

Which, is in my lay opinion, illegal

Or that Big Don hired Russian agents to the National Security Counsel

Please don't ask again the stupid question "what is wrong with that"

Please
 
goldfly said:
I feel the more they try to discredit the dossier and the investigation

And act like this memo is fact from this no talent ass clown

The pee tape must be real
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A few days ago there was a reported second dossier that Steele said he couldnt confirm because it was someone else but the second dossier independent of Steele's said the pee tape event happened.
 
57Brave said:
Schiff never claimed nor ever was an objective character in this political play.
He is the Minority Chair -- representing (D) interests on the Intel Committee
As it is Nunes job to forward (R) concerns.

Getting tired of Schiff being characterized as shrill and get this one --- grandstanding.
He is the counterpart of Nunes ---

The fact that the Clinton Admin picked up the Steele investigation after the (R) left it does not change the fact that Don Jr, Manafort & Jared met with a Russian agent under the pretext of getting election dirt on HRC.
Which, is in my lay opinion, illegal

Or that Big Don hired Russian agents to the National Security Counsel
Please don't ask again the stupid question "what is wrong with that"
Please
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So lets play this game. Why did the Clinton campaign end up getting opposition research from Russian agents because those were Steeles sources.

And Podesta was a straight and narrow character? This accusations of the Trump campaigned can be levied on virtually everyone but you have sour grapes because you lost so you're going to cry endlessly.
 
thethe said:
This accusations of the Trump campaigned can be levied on virtually everyone .
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you are close --
Nixon in 68 colluded with the North Vietnamese and Reagan in 1980 colluded with the Iranians

But that wasn't everybody, was it ?

Regardless Clinton Podesta or whatever other smoke screen / shiny thing distraction you are buying into - it doesn't change the fact Trump hired Russian agents to sit in NSA meetings.
Why ?

and why did they all lie about it ?
 
thethe said:
So we can wash Obamas hands when his own DOJ was meeting with Fusion. Thats rich man. The FBI is the executive branch. A high level investigation like this will be briefed to the President and his advisors. To act like Obama didn't know about this is asinine.

How about Flynn being watched? Thats all we know for now but I believe we will find out that there was more.

But again - Why should we be giving the FBI the benefit of the doubt when it was clear they were in the tank for HRC? Are we supposed to ignore that.
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The Obama DOJ and the FBI had a public duty to keep an eye on people cozying up to our enemies. It's not his fault Trump and his people were so blatant and lackadaisical with the law.
 
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Oh you guys and your peddling false narratives. This is going to be a great day for America.
 
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Pathetic what the Obama administration did. An absolute disgrace and he will be marked as an embarrassment to Americas history forever.
 
This is from the Washington Examiner, which I wouldn't normally source, but it seems they already have a copy of the memo:

* The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the initial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page.

* Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.

* The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.

* DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.
 
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