Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

Super said:
lol ur brain dead at this point bro. enjoy.
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You guys have thrown these accusations around for over a year now. They speak NOTHING to collusion. Keep believing that. Even the media is dying down on this. You were sold a bill of goods and you fed into it like a good sheep. Enjoy the next 7 years of DJT!
 
thethe said:
OMG - TRUMP COLLUSION!
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For the umpteenth time, Mueller doesn't need collusion. Any serious law or rule-breaking he stumbles upon, including obstruction of justice, can be used against Trump or anyone working with him. Yikes.
 
Runnin said:
For the umpteenth time, Mueller doesn't need collusion. Any serious law or rule-breaking he stumbles upon, including obstruction of justice, can be used against Trump or anyone working with him. Yikes.
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Obstructing justice on a bogus plea deal with Flynn? Good luck with that after that deal is vacated.
 
thethe said:
You guys have thrown these accusations around for over a year now. They speak NOTHING to collusion. Keep believing that. Even the media is dying down on this. You were sold a bill of goods and you fed into it like a good sheep. Enjoy the next 7 years of DJT!
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No one bought anything, except you and the people who jumped on his bandwagon. I wonder how many people are gonna go to jail for him.
 
Runnin said:
No one bought anything, except you and the people who jumped on his bandwagon. I wonder how many people are gonna go to jail for him.
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I'll put the over/under on 1.5 and say the under only because Manafort has been dirty for a while.
 
thethe said:
You guys have thrown these accusations around for over a year now. They speak NOTHING to collusion. Keep believing that. Even the media is dying down on this. You were sold a bill of goods and you fed into it like a good sheep. Enjoy the next 7 years of DJT!
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I still doubt that the Mueller investigation will sink him, but I now expect the numerous accusations of affairs to keep him from being reelected. That kind of stuff is just a really easy way to lower enthusiasm among the social conservatives that had to hold their nose to vote for him the last time. Celebrity locker room talk was bad enough. Now you've got porn stars and playmates making what appear to be credible accusations of affairs while his wife was pregnant or had just delivered. I spend a lot of time around a pretty socially conservative crowd. A lot of the men and most of the women who were still supporting him a few months ago are awfully quiet about politics these days.
 
Jaw said:
I still doubt that the Mueller investigation will sink him, but I now expect the numerous accusations of affairs to keep him from being reelected. That kind of stuff is just a really easy way to lower enthusiasm among the social conservatives that had to hold their nose to vote for him the last time. Celebrity locker room talk was bad enough. Now you've got porn stars and playmates making what appear to be credible accusations of affairs while his wife was pregnant or had just delivered. I spend a lot of time around a pretty socially conservative crowd. A lot of the men and most of the women who were still supporting him a few months ago are awfully quiet about politics these days.
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I'm on the fence over whether it will make a real difference or not. Maybe the social conservatives just stay home. Maybe a social conservative third-party candidate emerges. I think a lot of people have already sold themselves so much out to this guy, they don't really care.

I'm still on the fence over whether the Mueller investigation will sink him, but I think it's more likely than I did a couple months ago. You can feel the desperation of people like thethe who continue to try to wish this away. Just because you have other big news stories happening (yet another mass gun slaughter that could have been prevented in more ways than one, refusal to do anything on immigration, the constant lies and shifts on their Rob Porter story) and it's not 24/7, the probe is somehow "dying down." I guess they're out of conspiracy theories for the moment. It's laughable, sad and pathetic.
 
Jaw said:
I still doubt that the Mueller investigation will sink him, but I now expect the numerous accusations of affairs to keep him from being reelected. That kind of stuff is just a really easy way to lower enthusiasm among the social conservatives that had to hold their nose to vote for him the last time. Celebrity locker room talk was bad enough. Now you've got porn stars and playmates making what appear to be credible accusations of affairs while his wife was pregnant or had just delivered. I spend a lot of time around a pretty socially conservative crowd. A lot of the men and most of the women who were still supporting him a few months ago are awfully quiet about politics these days.
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This may end up being true but when he is put against a Liberal SJW (which is of course what the Dems will do in 2020) a choice will have to be made. Simultaneously, I fully expect the economy to be in the midst of a revival of actual growth and wages increasing all across the board. The choice will be simple. We don't have to like the person in office. We have to believe that person will make policy decision that benefit us.
 
bravesnumberone said:
I'm on the fence over whether it will make a real difference or not. Maybe the social conservatives just stay home. Maybe a social conservative third-party candidate emerges. I think a lot of people have already sold themselves so much out to this guy, they don't really care.

I'm still on the fence over whether the Mueller investigation will sink him, but I think it's more likely than I did a couple months ago. You can feel the desperation of people like thethe who continue to try to wish this away. Just because you have other big news stories happening (yet another mass gun slaughter that could have been prevented in more ways than one, refusal to do anything on immigration, the constant lies and shifts on their Rob Porter story) and it's not 24/7, the probe is somehow "dying down." I guess they're out of conspiracy theories for the moment. It's laughable, sad and pathetic.
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The Flynn plea deal which was one of the biggest OMG THIS IS IT FOR TRUMP moment is now looking like a possible separate investigation will be raised. There are possibilities that the deal will be vacated. We already know that information fed from the HRC campaign and the Russians were used to get FISA warrants. Keep whistling past the graveyard all you want. This was a farse from the very beginning.
 
Jaw said:
I still doubt that the Mueller investigation will sink him, but I now expect the numerous accusations of affairs to keep him from being reelected. That kind of stuff is just a really easy way to lower enthusiasm among the social conservatives that had to hold their nose to vote for him the last time. Celebrity locker room talk was bad enough. Now you've got porn stars and playmates making what appear to be credible accusations of affairs while his wife was pregnant or had just delivered. I spend a lot of time around a pretty socially conservative crowd. A lot of the men and most of the women who were still supporting him a few months ago are awfully quiet about politics these days.
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I don't know Jaw, the-squared may be onto something but I think he's overlooking a few things too. Short term Trump should be more popular because of the extra money in peoples' paychecks though this is never going to be the amount they probably expected. Still more is better than less. IF and I still that's a big IF, the economy really takes off rather than just sputters upwards like it has been so far he may well get re-elected. I stated a few weeks ago with less than stellar response I might add, that his contributions to get the economy really booming were more about smoke, mirrors, and BS. Cut regulations, lower taxes, etc., sound good to big business but there were never enough specifics to satisfy a cynic like me. IMO this current up-ish turn is more about those with money to go through short term gyrations to get more money and then go back into their holes until they're positive things are way better. I would liken it to a hurricane passing over, you hunker down (2007-2017), come out when the eye passes over, try to replenish your supplies, then you get back into your shelter when you think the other 1/2 of the storm is about to hit and get ready to ride the rest of it out.

What will/might get him re-elected? A noticeably better economy for a longer period of time could do the trick. All this impeachment stuff can very well turn around and help him too just like it did Bill and even they were trying to hang something around Obama's neck. A war might help too, IF we can for sure make ourselves be pictured as the attacked party rather than the attacking party. Otherwise that could seriously backfire.

As for the morality charges, I know this will PO the Repubs around here, but they sold out for Trump knowing his 1,000,001 character/morality flaws already. It's too late for any non-dedicated Repub voter to all of a sudden realize he's a moral and ethical slime ball and offensive to those who truly care about their faith, rather than what talk-radio preaches about their faith. You know even St. Peter wept bitterly when he realized what he had done. They, along with a LOT of indies elected a morally and ethnically bankrupt carnival barker/reality TV host because he promised to get the economy going/booming, bring the jobs back, bring the investments back, and nominate SCOTUS justices they liked/wanted. As long as he keeps doing this, they'll just have to hold their noses and vote for him again or admit they were wrong and you know that ain't gonna happen.

If the economy tanks again or we are the aggressors in a war, or no more SCOTUS justices retire or die he might be in trouble. At some point the Repub leaders in Congress like McConnell and Ryan, who personally I think are way bigger slime balls than Trump will probably turn on him, once they get the stuff they wanted passed by his efforts, and once they start seeing him as a liability in 2020 rather than as an asset. Again as long as the "Crazy Train, to plagiarize Ozzy" keeps rolling so will he, but it just doesn't take that much to get it off the tracks and once that happens......

If memory serves President GHW Bush (41) had approval rating right at 90% right after the Gulf War, less than 2 years later he lost to Slick Willy. Politics are more fickle than NFL officials and Roger Goodell and his sense of justice. Only time will tell IMO.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Just getting started.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...page/breaking-news-bar&utm_term=.e746be6acb88
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Somebody's been busy.

The Justice Department announced the indictment Friday of a notorious Russian troll (thethe?) farm — naming more than a dozen individual suspects who allegedly worked there — as part of the special counsel’s investigation into criminal interference with the 2016 election.

The Internet Research Agency was named in the indictment, which officials plan to announce at Justice Department headquarters Friday afternoon.

“From in or around 2014 to the present, defendants knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other (and with persons known and unknown to the grand jury) to defraud the United States by impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful functions of the government through fraud and deceit for the purpose of interfering with the U.S. political and electoral processes, including the presidential election of 2016,’’ the indictment states.

The indictment charges that some of the suspects traveled to the United States to gather information to help in the scheme, and that they also impersonated Americans online in order to try to sway voters’ opinions.

The suspects are charged with conspiracy to defraud the United States, conspiracy to commit wire fraud and bank fraud, and aggravated identity theft.
 
Good...I hope any influence by a foreign entity is identified and eliminiated. Still has nothing to do with collsuion.
 
nsacpi said:
seems like one of those he says she says situations...im willing to give Putin the benefit of the doubt
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“I asked him again. You can only ask so many times. . . . He said he absolutely did not meddle in our election. He did not do what they are saying he did.”

Nice move, Mueller.
 
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