Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

cajunrevenge said:
I would assume they would save the best for before the midterms. No point right now with Republicans in control of Congress. Unless Trump is caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy the Republicans won't impeach hin.
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This investigation evolved into a mid term election strategy once they realized there was nothing.
 
I think it's reasonable to look at historical analogs. Watergate, Iran-Contra, Whitewater...hell, even Benghazi, which was tiny in scope compared to the others. Most of them clicked years. Even some investigations of cabinet officials which centered on a single individual or a single incident have run longer than the Mueller investigation currently has.

So far there are indictments or plea agreements with 5 individuals, plus another 13 foreign nationals. You're spitting in the wind if you don't think there are going to be a lot more.

What's your positive case for suggesting they should just roll it up now?
 
I don't have one.

I am wondering what the time frame is when y'all will start to give up.

Sounds like just about the time Trump is voted out of office.
 
I guess when they stop indicting people, when cases get prosecuted, and facts are produced and argued in court.

At the very least, I want to know who did the hacks and if they coordinated with Americans. I want to know why the Trump campaign appeared to be tacitly cooperating with people trailing information about apparent criminal acts. I think it's quite reasonable to want some answers to those particular questions, and to be willing to wait for them.
 
Sure it is.

But gosh I thought all that was already proven if you listen to 57 and runnin

But I'm.fine with letting it play out. I know the government won't and can't move efficiently.

So are you on the 4 years train, or "it'll be done when it's done" train?
 
Trump is totally screwed on so many fronts: emoluments, corruption, obstruction and selling influence to the Russians. His only hope is holding public opinion afloat with the economy or a suddenly "totally necessary" war.

It's not surprising that no lawyer with a sliver of good sense will go anywhere near him.
 
sturg33 said:
Sure it is.

But gosh I thought all that was already proven if you listen to 57 and runnin

But I'm.fine with letting it play out. I know the government won't and can't move efficiently.

So are you on the 4 years train, or "it'll be done when it's done" train?
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Oh Grasshopper

History tells us, the Watergate Burglary (2nd rate) happened June 1972
Spring of 1973 it was learned there was a tape system
Late summer 1974 Nixon resigned.
= 2+ years

Let me add, late summer 1968 Nixon colluded with the North Vietnamese to derail peace talks
Which history tells us started this whole ball rolling
= 6+ years

Perhaps you and your merry band of TikiBoi's will do an all nighter to do a report on Teapot Dome
 
57Brave said:
Oh Grasshopper

History tells us, the Watergate Burglary (2nd rate) happened June 1972

Spring of 1973 it was learned there was a tape system

Late summer 1974 Nixon resigned.

= 2+ years

Let me add, late summer 1968 Nixon colluded with the North Vietnamese to derail peace talks

Which history tells us started this whole ball rolling

= 6+ years

Perhaps you and your merry band of TikiBoi's will do an all nighter to do a report on Teapot Dome
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Do you think that calling people who disagrees with you "tikiboys" is a productive term to progress discourse?

I know it's the go to play card for the left, but do you ever wanna just debate on the facts?

No?

Ok carry on with your emotions then
 
sturg33 said:
Do you think that calling people who disagrees with you "tikiboys" is a productive term to progress discourse?

I know it's the go to play card for the left, but do you ever wanna just debate on the facts?

No?

Ok carry on with your emotions then
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it's "tikiboi not "tikiboy"
 
sturg33 said:
Sure it is.

But gosh I thought all that was already proven if you listen to 57 and runnin

But I'm.fine with letting it play out. I know the government won't and can't move efficiently.

So are you on the 4 years train, or "it'll be done when it's done" train?
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I think the latter, but I suspect that most of the important pieces will be in place within the year. That's fairly speedy, as these things go.

And I'd argue that it's not really a matter of government being slow and inefficient. You could--purely hypothetically--farm the investigation out to a private entity, but complex legal maneuvering involving hundreds of parties and millions of documents are not going to be greased lightning, regardless. The law provides some boundaries, and unless you suggest we scrap that, too, some patience is in order.

It's the old industrial maxim...everybody wants fast, cheap, and effective, but you realistically are only going to get two of the above. In this case, considering that big-baller private sector lawyers are working for government paychecks, I'm guessing it'll be cheap (in relative terms) and effective, but not particularly fast.
 
"But gosh I thought all that was already proven if you listen to 57 and runnin"

Not speaking for runnin'

but nothing has yet been proven.
There is a lot of information on the table
In my outsiders opinion, a lot of damning information

We may be at least a year away.
Something about aiming at a king you get one shot
 
I think it is a slam dunk.

But, I am not Robert Mueller or the judge or on a jury.
My legal training is limited to watching every episode of Ally McBeal

Back to your point, I don't know if there is "proof"

There used to be a lawyer on this forum ---
 
sturg33 said:
But you say collision as if it's a fact. Go back and read your posts
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the word I use is collaborators...i think by now it is pretty clear there were members of the campaign who wittingly collaborated with the Russians...now we wait to see how far up it went and what the legal and political consequences will be
 
Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told special counsel Robert Mueller in a classified August 2, 2017, memo that he should investigate allegations that President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Pavel Manafartov was "colluding with Russian government officials" to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, prosecutors in the Russia probe revealed late Monday night.

Mueller was also empowered by Rosenstein to investigate Manafartov's payments from Ukrainian politicians, a cornerstone of the Trump adviser's decades-long lobbying career that has resulted in several financial criminal charges so far.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/03/politics/mueller-manafort-rosenstein-memo/index.html

None of this is news. But I do see claims here and elsewhere by Trumpophiles that Mueller so far has only indicted Manafartov on crimes that pre-date the campaign. It is pretty likely imo that Mueller will eventually bring up charges against Manafartov related to his activities during the campaign.
 
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