Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

Julio3000 said:
Well, that’s fine, but I guess there’s an obvious follow-up question here.
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na man

the russian spies and the trump organization just met in a secret meeting they have been lying about to talk about the most recent nbc and nate silver polling that everyone can easily get

what's wrong with you man?
 
goldfly said:
na man

the russian spies and the trump organization just met in a secret meeting they have been lying about to talk about the most recent nbc and nate silver polling that everyone can easily get

what's wrong with you man?
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A meeting whereby the 'spy' was specifically cleared by the obama administration and then met with Fusion GPS before and after the meeting.

Things that make you go hmmm....
 
thethe said:
A meeting whereby the 'spy' was specifically cleared by the obama administration and then met with Fusion GPS before and after the meeting.

Things that make you go hmmm....
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I think he was talking about Manafort’s meeting with Kilimnik, not the Trump Tower meeting with Veselnitsksya—I get that it’s hard to keep them all straight, particularly amidst all the lying.
 
Julio3000 said:
I think he was talking about Manafort’s meeting with Kilimnik, not the Trump Tower meeting with Veselnitsksya—I get that it’s hard to keep them all straight, particularly amidst all the lying.
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Like a Russian novel. Cast of thousands. All memorable in their own miserable way. So far Felix Sater is my favorite character and he has mostly lurked in the shadows so far. Wait till he takes center stage.
 
Julio3000 said:
I think he was talking about Manafort’s meeting with Kilimnik, not the Trump Tower meeting with Veselnitsksya—I get that it’s hard to keep them all straight, particularly amidst all the lying.
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He specifically noted the Trump organization meeting so the assumption is that there were more Trump representatives then just Cohen who was at first untrustworthy but I guess now trustworthy. Hard to keep up with all the flip flopping on your side.
 
nsacpi said:
Well it is unlikely that Manafartov would ask GRU agent Kilimnik to pass on this polling information to Deripaska just for ****s and giggles.
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Hey listen - Maybe at some point one of your theories will come true.

But so far your "this is big" moments have came up lame. But please continue sir and ignore all the other signs of a conspiracy to frame.

You don't seem to want to talk about Misfud anymore....Why is that?
 
thethe said:
Hey listen - Maybe at some point one of your theories will come true.

But so far your "this is big" moments have came up lame. But please continue sir and ignore all the other signs of a conspiracy to frame.

You don't seem to want to talk about Misfud anymore....Why is that?
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ah western spy Misfud...i avoid talking about him cuz it would undermine the case for collaboration and clinch the case for deep state setup
 
nsacpi said:
ah western spy Misfud...i avoid talking about him cuz it would undermine the case for collaboration and clinch the case for deep state setup
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Well when you ignore a clear instance of setup and the shadiness of Fusion GPS then sure your case looks better.

But man, I remember when Mifsud was the lynchpin of it all and thats all you had to think about.
 
thethe said:
Hey listen - Maybe at some point one of your theories will come true.

But so far your "this is big" moments have came up lame. But please continue sir and ignore all the other signs of a conspiracy to frame.

You don't seem to want to talk about Misfud anymore....Why is that?
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Mifsud isn’t much of a topic anymore because he’s completely disappeared. The only clue to his whereabouts was given by an associate of his, a Swiss lawyer nicely wired into Russia, who says he’s totally fine and living under an assumed name, and also that he’s a Western intelligence asset...which sounds totally unimpeachable, considering the source. I guess that’s the peg that your frame job hypothesis hangs on?

But, evasions aside, what do you think of the news that Manafort was apparently misleading investigators about meeting with Kilimnik and passing internal polling info to him? How does that fit into the frame-up narrative?
 
Julio3000 said:
Mifsud isn’t much of a topic anymore because he’s completely disappeared. The only clue to his whereabouts was given by an associate of his, a Swiss lawyer nicely wired into Russia, who says he’s totally fine and living under an assumed name, and also that he’s a Western intelligence asset...which sounds totally unimpeachable, considering the source. I guess that’s the peg that your frame job hypothesis hangs on?

But, evasions aside, what do you think of the news that Manafort was apparently misleading investigators about meeting with Kilimnik and passing internal polling info to him? How does that fit into the frame-up narrative?
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I think it fits nicely with the fact that manafort has been a slimeball since day 1 and that he has suspicious ties to russians/ukrainians. Thats been clear aince day 1. This if course doesnt and never meant collusion.
 
thethe said:
Like polling data that is published to the general public by tens of polling agencies?
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I haven't been intimately involved in a political campaign in 30 years, but I can attest to the fact that the polling performed by political campaigns is much more comprehensive than what is available to the public and it is guarded closely.
 
Whoever is the Democratic nominee really needs to hammer home these convictions of Trump people in the debates. They need to frame it as Trump isnt running for reelection he is running to stay out of prison for 4 more years.
 
50PoundHead said:
I haven't been intimately involved in a political campaign in 30 years, but I can attest to the fact that the polling performed by political campaigns is much more comprehensive than what is available to the public and it is guarded closely.
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I definitely think that was true in your time but the internet has leveled the playing field IMO. I could be wrong but overbearing/overfunded operations aren't necessarily a requirement to get reliable data these days.
 
thethe said:
I definitely think that was true in your time but the internet has leveled the playing field IMO. I could be wrong but overbearing/overfunded operations aren't necessarily a requirement to get reliable data these days.
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u are seriously misunderestimating how sophisticated the databases and analytics side of political campaigns have become...this is a revolution that permeates just about everything
 
thethe said:
I definitely think that was true in your time but the internet has leveled the playing field IMO. I could be wrong but overbearing/overfunded operations aren't necessarily a requirement to get reliable data these days.
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The polling done by campaigns is performed on a strict contract between the pollster and the campaign. There may be leaks, but the level of sophistication performed for campaigns goes far beyond that which is published by the various news organizations. Most news organizations poll between 600 and 1,000 respondents to get a "horse race" poll. Some outfits go deeper into segments of the population, but the sample size usually remains about the same. The sophistication of internal polling is most often used to refine message and reach certain segments of the population. It's not "Do you prefer Candidate A or Candidate B?" If indeed Manafort did share data with the Russians, it was likely used to hone some of the misleading articles and posts to push certain segments of the population toward Trump. If it were done domestically, there's nothing really wrong with that provided what is being transmitted has some measure of truth in it. The problem here is whether there was direct involvement by the Russian government and that the material being distributed could be argued as being legitimate.
 
what propaganda ?

many years ago it was found that Coca-Cola was putting fraction (of a fraction) of a second blips during television shows. Not commercials per se but commercials not seen by the naked eye. When the broadcasts were slowed down significantly a cool refreshing of Coke was appeared out of no where
Yoyr mind would register what your eye-mind was not fast enough to recognize
Subliminal advertising ---

Of course it is far far more sophisticated than the 1960's but lurking all the same.
And the principle remains
 
50PoundHead said:
The polling done by campaigns is performed on a strict contract between the pollster and the campaign. There may be leaks, but the level of sophistication performed for campaigns goes far beyond that which is published by the various news organizations. Most news organizations poll between 600 and 1,000 respondents to get a "horse race" poll. Some outfits go deeper into segments of the population, but the sample size usually remains about the same. The sophistication of internal polling is most often used to refine message and reach certain segments of the population. It's not "Do you prefer Candidate A or Candidate B?" If indeed Manafort did share data with the Russians, it was likely used to hone some of the misleading articles and posts to push certain segments of the population toward Trump. If it were done domestically, there's nothing really wrong with that provided what is being transmitted has some measure of truth in it. The problem here is whether there was direct involvement by the Russian government and that the material being distributed could be argued as being legitimate.
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But when you review the methodology on the polling for these other outfits the questions are much more sophisticated then what you are saying as well. Potentially the sample size is the main variant as you noted. But sampling theory states that at a certain point sample size is irrelevant.

I do agree the sharing with a foreign party is a big problem and that needs to be addressed. I am arguing the impact this sharing would have had on a targetted disinformation campaign. And, I still have the same position that many entities influenced the election that should not be considered 'domestic' operations such as media outlets. They all have the same end goals and that is to get their preferred result come true.
 
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