Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

thethe said:
Why wouldn't he try to obstruct/shut-down a sham of an investigation when you consider the damage it is causing his presidency and the country? This damage was always the goal from the deep state anyway since there was never any evidence of their claims.
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if he had nothing to hide or fear he would see it is in his best interests to help Mueller get to the bottom of the matter...Trey Gowdy and some of his other supporters have made the same point
 
nsacpi said:
if he had nothing to hide or fear he would see it is in his best interests to help Mueller get to the bottom of the matter...Trey Gowdy and some of his other supporters have made the same point
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We have seen the 'tactics' of this FBI in action. There is no reason for Trump to ever trust them or assume they wouldn't do anything nefarious.
 
I mean, we are literally talking about the opening of a counter intelligence investigation into the President of the United States because they did not agree with his decisions. There was no actual evidence of wrong doing. Its absurd.
 
thethe said:
I mean, we are literally talking about the opening of a counter intelligence investigation into the President of the United States because they did not agree with his decisions. There was no actual evidence of wrong doing. Its absurd.
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Complete and utter BS. The FBI is an apolitical organization mostly made up of conservative leaning patriots.

You only attack the FBI because Trump has drawn their attention through his incompetency and his nefarious ways. Everything is political to you when you think you're losing.
 
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Runnin said:
Complete and utter BS. The FBI is an apolitical organization mostly made up of conservative leaning patriots.
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Sure. Whatever makes you sleep better at night.

Those text messages, well the ones that weren't deleted, help your point there.
 
nsacpi said:
if he had nothing to hide or fear he would see it is in his best interests to help Mueller get to the bottom of the matter...Trey Gowdy and some of his other supporters have made the same point
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You're going with the "if you have nothing to hide..." argument?
 
Whats the big deal with these texts? Are agents supposed to like the people they are investigating? We should have the left investigating the right and the right investigating the left.We need people motivated to catch and convict people instead of of coverup which most partisan hacks will do for their side.
 
kathleen Z Roeberg
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Replying to @EricaJong @thedailybeast

In 1987 Trump ran 130K of full page ads aggressively

attacking NATO right after returning from Moscow.
 
57Brave said:
kathleen Z Roeberg
‏ @kathleenroeberg
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Replying to @EricaJong @thedailybeast

In 1987 Trump ran 130K of full page ads aggressively

attacking NATO right after returning from Moscow.
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I think there is room in our political system for people like Trump who hold the foreign policy views that he holds. I don't agree with them. But if someone like that is elected president, that's the voters' choice.

But...and there are several big buts here at work...a number of things do not follow from that

1) quid pro quos where policy considerations are influenced by financial inducements

2) quid pro quos where policy considerations are influenced by actions taken to affect the elections

quid pro quos where policy considerations over Ukraine are traded for considerations over Syria may not be wise, but I think happen all the time in the making of foreign policy

I think Mueller's investigation is rightfully looking into 1 and 2 above. There are indications he has found a few things. Manafartov's efforts to recover financially would be one example. Another would be the negotiations over building the tower in Moscow. We don't know how closely linked those things are to policy considerations over things like sanctions, but it is very important to get to the bottom of it. We also have indications of illegal contributions to the inauguration committee. We have the Middle Eastern angle with Elliot Broidy and others. And going further back in time we need an understanding about whether a dependency relationship or symbiotic relationship developed between businessman Trump and Russian patrons. This might not necessarily be illegal but the public needs to have this information.

There are quite a few things that I think Mueller is quite properly looking into. And it is disturbing to say the least that the president is working so hard to undermine the investigation rather than giving it his full cooperation.
 
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I remember reading about this during his birth certificate stage of the campaign

and yes, that was the first campaign motion
 
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Whitaker's ethical mire

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/...r-the-ethical-mire-of-trumps-top-law-officer/

The complaint against Chalupa and the DNC was extraordinary for another reason: one former Trump administration official and one current one told me that Whitaker made the filing only after the White House encouraged him to do so. As a CNN legal commentator and the head of FACT, Whitaker was one of the most high-profile and outspoken critics of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. That caught the attention of President Trump. As a result, Whitaker was interviewed by then-White House Counsel Don McGahn and a second lawyer for the president about joining Trump’s legal team. Although Whitaker did not get the job, he and White House officials discussed how Whitaker might serve the president’s interests in a private capacity. They suggested specific arguments Whitaker could make in defense of the president. They encouraged him to attack Mueller relentlessly, and they identified other possible targets for him. Among them was Alexandra Chalupa—and not long after that discussion with White House officials, Whitaker filed his complaint against her and the DNC with the FEC.
 
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nsacpi said:
I think there is room in our political system for people like Trump who hold the foreign policy views that he holds. I don't agree with them. But if someone like that is elected president, that's the voters' choice.

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I agree whole heartedly
In fact there were discussions involving easing tensions with Russia argued by one of our more eloquent posters during run up to 2016.

We agreed easing tensions with Russia per se was not a bad thing and worth looking into.
Neither of us trusted Putin

50 years ago I was in favor of easing tensions with Cuba --- talking is good
Why i was bothered by the tearing up of the Iran deal
and when Bush43 scuttled talks with N Korea in 2001


Dont want to hear about the latest talks with N Korea.
The dealmaker predictably pissed the bed by taking a meeting no other US President would have taken
That was not one of the finer moments of the Trump Presidency
 
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