57Brave
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This would be an 800 page sentencing memo that will put the Presidents ex-campaign chair in federal prison the rest of his life.
and you are bragging that Russia wasn't mentioned ...
Pretty low bar
Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)
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This would be an 800 page sentencing memo that will put the Presidents ex-campaign chair in federal prison the rest of his life.
and you are bragging that Russia wasn't mentioned ...
Pretty low bar
57Brave
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My reading tells me this is the tip of the iceberg.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
the end of the beginning
Yes considering we are talking about russia interference. Manaforts history of illegal activity throughout his career is irrelevant to what has been sold to the country for the last 2.5 years.
I can just sense it. When Mueller finds no collusion there will ve revolt from the left.
Why not? Lets drag this out for another 2.5 years so you have a talking point during the 2020 race. Not like you guys have any other actual ideas that are realistic.
57Brave
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things you find along the way of looking for other things.
lets take this slow
Wasn't Manafort involved in the June 6, 2016 meeting ?
With a Russian as the meeting heading - something/something dirt on HRC ?
And isn't accepting campaign contributions form foreign nationals against the law?
And isn't discussing that meeting a conspiracy ?
Isn't conspiracy a synonym for collusion ?
The trump tower meeting was an obvious setup by fusion and was snuffed out rather quicklu as a pointless meeting by trump jr.
Getting information from anyone is not a crime.
Back to the drawing board.
We were sold collusion and what we got were prior crimes pre dating the trump campaign. YAWN.
That has literally never been a charge. What typr of nonsense are you making up now?
You have a 800 page document that doesnt speak to collusion. CONGRATULATIONS!
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
There is a significant amount of damaging information out there that will find its way into Mueller's report. Some highlights:
1) In the Roger Stone indictment, we are told that "“a senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact Stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information” WikiLeaks might have. There is likely quite a bit more on this topic yet to be revealed. For example the identity of the person who directed the senior campaign official to do this.
2) We have court transcripts in the Manafartov case indicating that he shared internal polling data that the campaign paid quite a bit of money for with Kilimnik, with instructions on who to pass it on to in Russia. Given that Gates was at this meeting, it is likely we will learn more about this.
3) We have details on the negotiations for a lucrative Moscow real estate deal pursued through June 2016 (at least) on Trump's behalf by Sater and Cohen. Given that Sater and Cohen are cooperating witnesses, there is likely more to learn about this as well.
4) We have the Special Counsel office telling various judges about the cooperation by Gates, Cohen and Flynn on matters that are at the heart of their investigation. The details of their cooperation will come out in due course, but it is difficult to imagine that they would have been offered the leniency they are receiving without providing fairly significant information. Presumably Flynn has provided information on the instructions he was given for his phone calls with Kislyak.
5) There are a number of cooperating witnesses whose contributions remain murky. Nader, Patten, and others.
6) Let's not forget Peter W Smith, who sought out Hillary's emails on the dark web and raised several hundred thousand dollars for "scholarships for Russian students." Mueller has been investigating his activities.
The above relate to collaboration between the campaign (proper and improper) and the Russians. Then there are a whole raft of issues related to obstruction and abuse of power: firing of Comey, dangling of pardons, collaborating with witnesses to release misleading, untrue or incomplete testimony.
1) In the Roger Stone indictment, we are told that "“a senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact Stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information” WikiLeaks might have. There is likely quite a bit more on this topic yet to be revealed. For example the identity of the person who directed the senior campaign official to do this.
2) We have court transcripts in the Manafartov case indicating that he shared internal polling data that the campaign paid quite a bit of money for with Kilimnik, with instructions on who to pass it on to in Russia. Given that Gates was at this meeting, it is likely we will learn more about this.
3) We have details on the negotiations for a lucrative Moscow real estate deal pursued through June 2016 (at least) on Trump's behalf by Sater and Cohen. Given that Sater and Cohen are cooperating witnesses, there is likely more to learn about this as well.
4) We have the Special Counsel office telling various judges about the cooperation by Gates, Cohen and Flynn on matters that are at the heart of their investigation. The details of their cooperation will come out in due course, but it is difficult to imagine that they would have been offered the leniency they are receiving without providing fairly significant information. Presumably Flynn has provided information on the instructions he was given for his phone calls with Kislyak.
5) There are a number of cooperating witnesses whose contributions remain murky. Nader, Patten, and others.
6) Let's not forget Peter W Smith, who sought out Hillary's emails on the dark web and raised several hundred thousand dollars for "scholarships for Russian students." Mueller has been investigating his activities.
The above relate to collaboration between the campaign (proper and improper) and the Russians. Then there are a whole raft of issues related to obstruction and abuse of power: firing of Comey, dangling of pardons, collaborating with witnesses to release misleading, untrue or incomplete testimony.
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Runnin
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The final report on Trump and all his corruption, obstruction, self-enriching, with or without treason, is going to be a lot longer than 800 pages, assuming we get one.
If not from the Justice Dept., there will be a final tally.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
At this point it is a virtual certainty the information will be shared with the public. It would be crazy for Barr to try to hide anything. Mueller and/or his deputies are likely to be called to testify before Congress.
nsacpi
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57Brave
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of course it has.
That was Trumps initial rational for firing Comey - the handling of Clinton emails.
Keeps coming back to those treasured emails, doesn't it.
Oh yeah, Wikileaks was handling Russian hacked emails that Trump himself publicly asked them to release --- I mean -- this isn't now nor has it ever been hard.
Bear in mind, " I could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue and get away with it"
Kinda what Mueller wrote about Manafort yesterday, wasn't it ?
Almost to the letter
cajunrevenge
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https://www.lawfareblog.com/document-special-counsel-files-manafort-sentencing-memo-0
Manafort sentencing memo is a good read and great inside look into politics. Love seeing Trump people declare his campaign manager going to prison for conspiracy against the United states and illegally working as a secret foreign agent is a win for them.
Trump is going to be fighting for his life for the rest of his life. I bet his lawyers will defend Trump on the obstruction charges by saying he isn't smart enough to obstruct justice consciously. Kind of like the Peggy Hill trial in King of the Hill where she accidentally kidnaps a Mexican child.
Manafort sentencing memo is a good read and great inside look into politics. Love seeing Trump people declare his campaign manager going to prison for conspiracy against the United states and illegally working as a secret foreign agent is a win for them.
Trump is going to be fighting for his life for the rest of his life. I bet his lawyers will defend Trump on the obstruction charges by saying he isn't smart enough to obstruct justice consciously. Kind of like the Peggy Hill trial in King of the Hill where she accidentally kidnaps a Mexican child.
57Brave
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If Trump and his team did nothing wrong, they’d “have little to fear” from Mueller because, as the former solicitor general noted, prosecuting collusion and obstruction is “enormously difficult” and a report clearing the president of wrongdoing would be the end of it.
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/mu...te-ex-solicitor-general/#.XHKRTTthN7o.twitter
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/mu...te-ex-solicitor-general/#.XHKRTTthN7o.twitter