Not that I care, but you are absolutely wrong here. There doesn't have to be a crime in order for someone to be guilty of obstruction. If you interfere with an investigation, that is absolutely obstruction, regardless what the investigation eventually determines.
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Not that I care, but you are absolutely wrong here. There doesn't have to be a crime in order for someone to be guilty of obstruction. If you interfere with an investigation, that is absolutely obstruction, regardless what the investigation eventually determines.
57Brave
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and lets be clear about something
Nixon was not impeached and forced to resign for participation in break in of the Watergate complex. As Clinton was not impeached over Whitewater
so,
like I said, Trump is not out of the woods by a long shot.
This will be an interesting week
Nixon was not impeached and forced to resign for participation in break in of the Watergate complex. As Clinton was not impeached over Whitewater
so,
like I said, Trump is not out of the woods by a long shot.
This will be an interesting week
The underlying crime gives credence to intent.
Trump did not obstruct justice because he wanted an end to an investigation that would ultimately implicate him. He wanted an end to it because it was a hoax and innocent people were devastated by it.
You are doing nothing but regurgitating Fox News.
Obstruction of justice is pretty clear about what it is. Whether he did it or not is tbd, but "intent" is irrelevant. If he interfered with the investigation, he is guilty of obstruction.
And, again, I don't really care, though obviously I would prefer if the POTUS weren't involved in criminal activity.
Ive actually watched msnbc exlusively today because its much more entertaining and numerous lawyers have made that argument today and it was stressed by Barr in his memo.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Those on the Left just move on.
The more you get mad like when Kankles loss, the more the idiots on the Right will vote for the moron in charge.
It is sour grapes and nothing to gain by it.
The more you get mad like when Kankles loss, the more the idiots on the Right will vote for the moron in charge.
It is sour grapes and nothing to gain by it.
Barr said no such thing. He literally said they could not conclude if a crime was committed but it did not exonerate him.
You are wrong - Read the report but mainly this portion:
In making this determination, we noted that the Special Counsel recognized that “the evidence does not establish that the President was involved in an underlying crime related to Russian election interference," and that, while not determinative, the absence of such evidence bears upon the President's intent with respect to obstruction. Generally speaking, to obtain and sustain an obstruction conviction, the government would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person, acting with corrupt intent, engaged in obstructive conduct with a sufficient nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding. In cataloguing the President's actions, many of which took place in public view, the report identifies no actions that, in our judgment, constitute obstructive conduct, had a nexus to a pending or contemplated proceeding, and were done with corrupt intent, each of which, under the Department's principles of federal prosecution guiding charging decisions, would need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to establish an obstruction-of-justice offense.
I don't think you quite understand just what is being said here.
Runnin
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A judgment of not enough evidence was rendered because he is The President. Ultimately, the Justice Dept. protected Trump and the institution. Mueller chose not to discipline the spoiled, out of control child President.
I'm disappointed but not surprised. And I disagree with the obstruction judgment. DJT's every move and comment about this investigation has been obstructionist. He should've been subpoenaed or at least questioned under oath. Trump's behavior has been far over the line and I assume will continue to be.
I'm disappointed but not surprised. And I disagree with the obstruction judgment. DJT's every move and comment about this investigation has been obstructionist. He should've been subpoenaed or at least questioned under oath. Trump's behavior has been far over the line and I assume will continue to be.
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So refute my point on intent weighing in the validity of obstruction charges then based on what Barr wrote
sturg33
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You're disappointed our President didnt commit treason with a foreign adversary controlling him the last two years?
goldfly
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If this is your basis then are you concluding that conspiracy/coordination didnt happen?
sturg33
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I legitimately feel sad for people who think tonight's news is bad for Trump
Yall are embarrassing yourselves even further which is nearly unimaginable that that is possible
At least we will always have this thread to show how willing prople were to push this hoax.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
i'm glad the patriot Mueller did his job
i hope we get to read his whole report soon
too bad the embarrassment in the white house called it a witch hunt
love the pivot of "witch hunt" to vindication though for he and his disciples of followers
i hope we get to read his whole report soon
too bad the embarrassment in the white house called it a witch hunt
love the pivot of "witch hunt" to vindication though for he and his disciples of followers