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Bedell you've joined the restless mob of fist shakers!

Now that you've made clear you don't think Syria was "handled well" - and the NYT article was informative on how the sausage of foreign policy is ground
perhaps you are now ready to tell us your definition of a "handled well" Syria.

Or you can just shake your fist at Obama
 
See 57, these conversations with you never go anywhere. You'll never be satisfied with an answer that doesn't fit into your box... Let's just leave it.
 
Syria disarmed -we fired no shots - lost no lives - spent no money -- avoided another Middle East entanglement --
Those are the facts --and you can post articles until you are blue in the face over how we got to there and how messy it was but, the facts are still the facts

Like I said it seems you are complaining because the TD was scored running the ball instead of passing

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Maybe if you go back to Fast and Furious? At least the facts there are a little more obscure and the trail a little more attention span intensive!!
because this (and those) all seems nothing more than a vehicle to embarrass Obama. I remember when scandals involved whores and drinking or adultry or bribery or other juicy topics -- in the age of Issa and College REpublicans it is nothing more than half baked little reseaarched fishing expeditions called scandals.

Call me when it involves a dead woman or a live boy
 
Obama was so desperate to go to war it was scary. Thankfully, public opposition was historically high.

I'm sure they will find some excuse to go - even if they have to create it themselves.

Wanna talk about fast and furious or NSA?
 
sturg33 said:
Obama was so desperate to go to war it was scary. Thankfully, public opposition was historically high.

I'm sure they will find some excuse to go - even if they have to create it themselves.

Wanna talk about fast and furious or NSA?
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So desperate that, in the end, we didn't go.
Again, you may criticize him for wanting to go. That's fine, and I agree. As someone who isn't staunchly on either "side," I didn't want to go at all, and was disappointed Obama wanted to. But in the end, we didn't. Everything everyone wanted was accomplished, and yet we still find a way to criticize? Just seems like a bit of a reach.
 
yeezus said:
So desperate that, in the end, we didn't go.
Again, you may criticize him for wanting to go. That's fine, and I agree. As someone who isn't staunchly on either "side," I didn't want to go at all, and was disappointed Obama wanted to. But in the end, we didn't. Everything everyone wanted was accomplished, and yet we still find a way to criticize? Just seems like a bit of a reach.
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If Obama had gotten his way it would have been a disaster. yes, I will absolutely criticize him for wanting to put us in a terrible position. Thank goodness fgor the American people and Vladimir Putin
 
sturg33 said:
If Obama had gotten his way it would have been a disaster. yes, I will absolutely criticize him for wanting to put us in a terrible position. Thank goodness fgor the American people and Vladimir Putin
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Like I said, criticize for his desires. But the results are exactly what you wanted, so what is the problem? He didn't do what he wanted to do, and listened to what other people wanted. Can't say that's a bad thing, as the desired results were there in the end.
 
I'd rather my President have the proper perspective to begin with, rather than being humiliated and shamed into it.
 
sturg33 said:
I'd rather my President have the proper perspective to begin with, rather than being humiliated and shamed into it.
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Me too. But, alls well that ends well to me. I got my desired outcome. Hard for me to complain too much.
 
What if Obama made a PR push to go into war desperately, because he knew the main GOP and public would be against it, and used it to waiver public support so he wouldn't go into war?
 
KeithLockhart said:
What if Obama made a PR push to go into war desperately, because he knew the main GOP and public would be against it, and used it to waiver public support so he wouldn't go into war?
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what if Obama believed in free markets and individual liberty?

Why waste our time asking such silly questions?
 
sturg33 said:
what if Obama believed in free markets and individual liberty?

Why waste our time asking such silly questions?
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It's not a silly question.

You've never heard of politicians using political ploys to ramp up public support?

Kind of like how the GOP uses the Tea Party to ramp up public support to go against anything the President does or proposes so they can still pretend to look conservative?
 
KeithLockhart said:
It's not a silly question.

You've never heard of politicians using political ploys to ramp up public support?

Kind of like how the GOP uses the Tea Party to ramp up public support to go against anything the President does or proposes so they can still pretend to look conservative?
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LOL... sure dude. Obama was dying to stay out of war. He just needed the international community and american public to THINK he wanted to go so that he didn't.
 
sturg33 said:
LOL... sure dude. Obama was dying to stay out of war. He just needed the international community and american public to THINK he wanted to go so that he didn't.
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If you think Obama is as much of a genius when it comes to destroying this country and poop on the constitution, I'm surprised you don't give him enough credit for being as much of a genius when it comes to PR moves.

The Democrats held the fiscal cliff negotiations hostage so the rich could get taxed more, while the Republicans held the fiscal cliff negotiations hostage by saying taxes on all Americans would go up when really they were protecting the rich.

It's spin spin spin.

President has had more talk show, radio show, presidential press conferences, presidential addresses, etc than any other President, plus he's the best ever politician at using social media to its potential.

I have no clue why you don't think President wasn't just puppeteering the Syria thing. McCain and Graham were the only major GOP players who wanted us to go into Syria, and lord knows if he publicly said NO, then the GOP would've rammed him hard for not believing in American Exceptionalism and protecting the innocent people around the world speech. What happened when he said lets go into Syria? Tea Party, and mainstream America said NO NO NO it's a waste of money. There's not even much oil there like Libya.

I knew he wasn't serious about Syria when they crossed that dotted line 20 times in the last 3 years and nothing was done.
 
sturg33 said:
Seems to me like no matter what he does, you will spin it as a positive
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Uh no.

I like President, but like 50 I have my reservations. I don't like that he won't give Snowden some type of clemency.

Yet I also realize Obama is a puppet to the military-industrial complex.
 
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