Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

mqt said:
The post being circulated that you shared showing a rocket misfire that was claimed to be the one that hit the school was from a town on the opposite end of Iran.

Funnily enough, they also suggest Occam’s Razor:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2028088723770945712

If there’s better evidence, I’m all ears.
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No no no - whose claim are you running with as the initial truth that you even require a debunk to believe it isnt the “truth”
 
thethe said:
No no no - whose claim are you running with as the initial truth that you even require a debunk to believe it isnt the “truth”
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I guess I don’t know, but given the way it’s being debunked it seems that even the skeptics are conceding it happened? I’ll accept any egg on my face I’m owed if no school was even struck.
 
mqt said:
I guess I don’t know, but given the way it’s being debunked it seems that even the skeptics are conceding it happened? I’ll accept any egg on my face I’m owed if no school was even struck.
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You don’t realize all you did was run with what Iran said do you?
 
thethe said:
You don’t realize all you did was run with what Iran said do you?
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Because nothing else is actually out there yet. There appears to be good, verifiable evidence that the building in question was struck and that it was a school. The military has responded thus far by acknowledging they’re aware of the claims and are looking into them. As far as I can tell, the claims to the contrary are coming from social media influencers showing a missile misfire in the mountains.

Fuck man, at least in the past the government had to run its own wartime propaganda.
 
It’s sad a school was hit and “100 children died”(healthy skepticism on what Iran reports in the fog of war).

I ask sincerely because I don’t have an answer. What should be the consequence of Iran killing 40,000 innocent civilians? Do they just get to do that with impunity?

I’m non interventionist and I am struggling with my own answer to that question. But all those doing the whole “they bombed a children’s hospital in Gaza” routine now with Iran, should at least try to offer an answer to what should be done to prevent mass civilian slaughter.
 
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chop2chip said:
It’s sad a school was hit and “100 children died”(healthy skepticism on what Iran reports in the fog of war).

I ask sincerely because I don’t have an answer. What should be the consequence of Iran killing 40,000 innocent civilians? Do they just get to do that with impunity?

I’m non interventionist and I am struggling with my own answer to that question. But all those doing the whole “they bombed a children’s hospital in Gaza” routine now with Iran, should at least try to offer an answer to what should be done to prevent mass civilian slaughter.
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Both the U.S. and Israeli militaries observe the rules of war and try to minimize civilian casualties. This is a moral and legal obligation. We can criticize them and demand accountability and that they do better. But we should not expect perfection.

For an interesting contrast, see what Russia does in Ukraine.
 
chop2chip said:
It’s sad a school was hit and 100 (healthy skepticism on what Iran reports in the fog of war).

I ask sincerely because I don’t have an answer. What should be the consequence of Iran killing 40,000 innocent civilians? Do they just get to do that with impunity?

I’m non interventionist and I am struggling with my own answer to that question. But all those doing the whole “they number a children’s hospital in Gaza” routine in Iran, should at least try to offer an answer to what should be done to prevent mass civilian slaughter.
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My stance on this is that we are inevitably going to kill civilians in a war and that a school was hit was probably a tragic accident regardless of the cause. But for as much hay has been made regarding whether or not it’s good for us to be involved, my issues right now with the actual government/military side of this is more of whether or not we want to continue to allow the Executive Branch to operate in this way. To wit:

https://twitter.com/x/status/2027678140047180179

I’m not meaning to blindly accept these claims without scrutiny, but as with Venezuela and several other high-profile cases over the past 20 years, we’ve conducted military strikes on nations that posed no credible immediate threat to us that would supersede the need for Congressional approval. As a result, several Americans and many civilians have been killed. I hope we continue to ask the right questions of whether or not this was a valid application of the President’s wartime authority. Not because it’s Trump and Trump is uniquely bad, but because we shouldn’t just accept that everything requires bypassing Congress.


My frustration with the school is more with those that seek to immediately run with wild speculation that would absolve the US of any responsibility for acts of war with no evidence to support it.
 
nsacpi said:
Both the U.S. and Israeli militaries observe the rules of war and try to minimize civilian casualties. This is a moral and legal obligation. We can criticize them and demand accountability and that they do better. But we should not expect perfection.

For an interesting contrast, see what Russia does in Ukraine.
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100%

The US and Israel should be held to the highest standard of accountability. Iran should also be held to the same standard. I find cognitive dissonance of “war is bad because civilians could die” not compelling when the status quo was mass execution of innocent civilians.

The “not my circus, not my monkeys” case to be more morally consistent.
 
chop2chip said:
It’s sad a school was hit and “100 children died”(healthy skepticism on what Iran reports in the fog of war).

I ask sincerely because I don’t have an answer. What should be the consequence of Iran killing 40,000 innocent civilians? Do they just get to do that with impunity?

I’m non interventionist and I am struggling with my own answer to that question. But all those doing the whole “they bombed a children’s hospital in Gaza” routine now with Iran, should at least try to offer an answer to what should be done to prevent mass civilian slaughter.
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chop2chip said:
100%

The US and Israel should be held to the highest standard of accountability. Iran should also be held to the same standard. I find cognitive dissonance of “war is bad because civilians could die” not compelling when the status quo was mass execution of innocent civilians.

The “not my circus, not my monkeys” case to be more morally consistent.
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I get it.

I wouldn’t jump to conclusions in any case. No one gets internet points for being first in to shit on the US.

I don’t get that way of life
 
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mqt said:
we’ve conducted military strikes on nations that posed no credible immediate threat to us that would supersede the need for Congressional approval.
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Is your principle objection to this war actually process based? I’m skeptical you’d have a different opinion if a bunch of republicans in Congress voted Yes.

Regardless, the specific criticisms you’ve had seemed centered around this being a violation of universal human rights. I question the exercise of condemning harm and refusing action when the moral standards aren’t being applied symmetrically
 
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34 of 34 guilty findings

we have our own messes to clean up with putting our noses in other peoples messes
I guess us having two slaughtered... pales.
All the same 2 is unacceptable.

One could justify all of those thousands had ICE done the slaughtering ???
That is a question in case you dont understand the squiggly at the end of the sentence
 
thethe said:
Immigrant from Senegal kills 3 people in terror attack. Happy we let these people in
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