Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

nsacpi said:
That's why we need Greenland. So we can trade it to Panama for the canal.

It should also not go unremarked that the Panamanian president was needlessly provocative in using the metric system in his comment.
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I thought we were trading Puerto Rico for the Panama Canal? I'm confused
 
zitothebrave said:
Why do we want Greenland?

It's like Trump is stuck in COld War era stuff where having more chess pieces is good. But like are we chomping at the bit for cheaper fish? Is that his goal?
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Maybe someone finally told him you can’t replace income taxes with tariffs so his new plan to bring American jobs back or whatever is to make more America.
 
chop2chip said:
I’m skeptical of Elon, but I think he’s doing an enormous public good shaming Congress into breaking this bill into individual pieces.

The only person who can prevent significant spending reform at this point is Trump.
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Musk is only going to do things that make him money. His interest in government basically stops at trying to get less regulation on his businesses and leveraging his influence on the government into favors.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I seem to recall little thethe telling me to let him know when Trump does something authoritarian. He isn't even in ofoldice yet and he wants to invade a country to take their land.

My guess is Trump has some business interest in the country that isn't going his way and he is using this as leverage. But what do I know.
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https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-panama-canal-threats-hotel-taxes-court-filing-2005079

And there it is. Just assume Trump is doing something for corrupt reasons and you will rarely be wrong.
 
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That… makes it worse? China investing in Panama does not mean we can strongarm Panama.
 
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If we do go after Cartel members in Mexico, how many non-Cartel deaths are we going to accept as collateral damage?
 
Tapate50 said:
Less than are being killed by the import of fentanyl laced drugs ?
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Sorry, you must be mistaken. I don’t want the government to import or sell fentanyl-laced drugs either. I just expect the US government not to kill innocent civilians in the name of saving innocent civilians.
 
I realize the lives of Americans are of little value to you, but MOST people do value them greater than a cartel boss family member who are very well aware of what their family does and could happen to them as a result of it
 
Tapate50 said:
I realize the lives of Americans are of little value to you, but MOST people do value them greater than a cartel boss family member who are very well aware of what their family does and could happen to them as a result of it
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I value American lives a lot. I just also value the lives of people born on the other side of a border. Would you also support killing innocent Americans to take out drug operations domestically? If so, where does the line get drawn for level of involvement in the drug trade before you lose your right to live?
 
Tapate50 said:
Less than are being killed by the import of fentanyl laced drugs ?
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It's curious to me that fentanyl causes a fraction of the deaths alcohol and tobacco do but fentanyl is the problem. Second hand smoke kills almost as many people annually as fentanyl. Drunk drivers kill almost as much as fentanyl. I personally am more scared of the drugs that can kill me even if I don't take them than the one I can easily avoid. But I bet you think murdering Alcohol and Tobacco CEOs is wrong.
 
Occasionally you read about someone who accidentally comes into contact with fentanyl. But most of the people who are harmed by it take it as a choice. That would be purely a private vice if not for the horrific effects of their choices in their own communities but also in places like Mexico where many innocent people have lost their lives due to the drug wars. We've been very much exporting problems when it comes to fentanyl. Even so I try to value the life of a fentanyl addict as much as an innocent child killed by the drug wars. We're all children of God.
 
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mqt said:
I value American lives a lot. I just also value the lives of people born on the other side of a border. Would you also support killing innocent Americans to take out drug operations domestically? If so, where does the line get drawn for level of involvement in the drug trade before you lose your right to live?
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If by innocent you mean complicit with the operation, yeah blast em
 
nsacpi said:
Occasionally you read about someone who accidentally comes into contact with fentanyl. But most of the people who are harmed by it take it as a choice. That would be purely a private vice if not for the horrific effects of their choices in their own communities but also in places like Mexico where many innocent people have lost their lives due to the drug wars. We've been very much exporting problems when it comes to fentanyl. Even so I try to value the life of a fentanyl addict as much as an innocent child killed by the drug wars. We're all children of God.
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You talk about the war in Mexico centered around drugs. Where do they get their guns from. Maybe Mexico should assassinate US gun companies CEOs to stop the influx of deadly guns to their country.
 
cajunrevenge said:
The accidental fentanyl exposure overdose is a hoax mostly put out by police. I know you've seen the videos. They were fake.
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There may be a small number that are not fake. But the demand side is this country's unique contribution to the problem. I think both the supply and demand side need sustained efforts from our policymakers. I'm not optimistic. It is a hard problem. And it is easier to demonize people over it rather than address the substantial issues involved.
 
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