Second ('Third') Trump Presidency Thread

thethe said:
This issue here is Waltz - Hands down.
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The primary issue? Sure. He is the one that added him to the group.

If the names of everyone in the chat were visible to everyone else, then the burden of responsibility falls on each person in the chat for participating.
 
mqt said:
I don’t actually disagree with you on this, but I’ve found myself a bit jaded on where we’re drawing this particular line, especially when free speech has been beat over the head by the very people doing this or cheering it on. A lot of the standard argument right now on the Columbia protests seems to rely on the idea that free speech is not important as a principle but rather as a legal protection against citizens. For instance, if you’re in many countries in Europe you have no protections against some forms of your speech, but that hasn’t stopped people from saying we need to save Europe from tyranny. But now that free speech is being cracked down upon against permanent residents, we’re suddenly very concerned with the legal application of the 1st Amendment. These aren’t terrorists, they’re kids upset with our government’s response to one of the most infamously complicated and nuanced geopolitical issues of the past century.
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There are likely some instances where free speech is violated, but protesting has legal limits itself. It would appear these people violated those limits with encampments and occupying buildings.
 
Carp said:
The primary issue? Sure. He is the one that added him to the group.

If the names of everyone in the chat were visible to everyone else, then the burden of responsibility falls on each person in the chat for participating.
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Irrefutably true
 
Carp said:
There are likely some instances where free speech is violated, but protesting has legal limits itself. It would appear these people violated those limits with encampments and occupying buildings.
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You have no business bringing facts into this discussion. lol
 
Carp said:
There are likely some instances where free speech is violated, but protesting has legal limits itself. It would appear these people violated those limits with encampments and occupying buildings.
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I understand what you’re saying here, but I personally think it’s bad to deport a person who’s lived here since they were 7 over a souped up misdemeanor charge. Punishment wouldn’t really seem to fit the crime.
 
Waltz now saying a staffer added Goldberg which adds a whole new layer of ****storm that doesn't make Waltz look good - It makes him look worse.
 
mqt said:
I understand what you’re saying here, but I personally think it’s bad to deport a person who’s lived here since they were 7 over a souped up misdemeanor charge. Punishment wouldn’t really seem to fit the crime.
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Maybe. But she is still a guest in our country. And when you are a guest, leniency isn't something you should count on.
 
Carp said:
Maybe. But she is still a guest in our country. And when you are a guest, leniency isn't something you should count on.
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You’re right, but deporting her is still a specific choice being made. My point isn’t really that the Trump admin is doing something illegal here, but that they’re using the guise of public safety to detain and potentially deport people who are not a meaningful threat to public safety.
 
As a future deterrent.....

Not Trumps fault the prior regime promoted lawlessness and instability at every turn
 
thethe said:
As a future deterrent.....

Not Trumps fault the prior regime promoted lawlessness and instability at every turn
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I don’t think deterring misdemeanor trespassing needs to be that forcefully discouraged, just as I didn’t think it needed to after J6.
 
mqt said:
I don’t think deterring misdemeanor trespassing needs to be that forcefully discouraged, just as I didn’t think it needed to after J6.
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I think deterring immigrants from coming here thinking they can **** all over America while benefit from our greatness is a fantastic idea.
 
thethe said:
I think deterring immigrants from coming here thinking they can **** all over America while benefit from our greatness is a fantastic idea.
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You seem to have this weird impression that protesting the decisions of our elected officials is “****ting on” America. As an American who also disagrees with our response to the conflict in Israel, am I being **** on when someone agrees with my views? The conservatives in this country really seem to think they have a monopoly on what America is or should be.
 
mqt said:
You seem to have this weird impression that protesting the decisions of our elected officials is “****ting on” America. As an American who also disagrees with our response to the conflict in Israel, am I being **** on when someone agrees with my views? The conservatives in this country really seem to think they have a monopoly on what America is or should be.
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Is every single person who 'protested' being caught up? No, its more than that and its engaging in actions that are deemed inconsistent with our way of life.
 
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