50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
When I first got a look at Greene after the Braves obtained him, I thought, "How does he have any energy left to work out after spending a whole day tuning up the Hemi?"
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When I first got a look at Greene after the Braves obtained him, I thought, "How does he have any energy left to work out after spending a whole day tuning up the Hemi?"
Tapate50
Well-known member
Probably a lot of monster energy drinks.
But seriously, don’t talk about the Hemi like that. She’s not exactly street legal
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Can’t wait for him to perform like last year and ppl hate him.
He really played this wrong if he’s getting a 1.5 million one year deal
He really played this wrong if he’s getting a 1.5 million one year deal
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Something about Greene's look makes me think that street legal isn't the first thing on his mind.
Southcack77
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50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
There must be something in the analytics that gave all of baseball pause, because his face-value stats look pretty good. 1.12 WHIP and didn't let any inherited runners score in 2020. Not overpowering, but decent control. One can argue that the Braves' budget constraints prevented signing him earlier, but seeing Melancon only got $2 MM (with an assured buyout of $1 MM for 2022 and the possibility of going back to the Padres at $5 MM next year), I suppose the demand wasn't there throughout the league. Hard to believe.
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
If your mom performs like last night, she’s going to be a big help.
Southcack77
Well-known member
I can only guess he held out for closer or elite set up man money and he's not that.
I'm not sure how much the Braves were protecting him from trouble last season, but his overall expected numbers support 7th inning guy. He is right around a .300 xwoba guy and that's fine.
He probably pitched a little better in 2020 than in 2019, though that could be sample size.
Which is huge for this pen if he can consistently be that guy. Not only does he not need to be a late-inning option, he doesn't need to be an All-Star either. He just needs to be counted on to be what he's always been.
If he can be consistent, it frees up Snitker to choose between Smith, Martin, and one of Minter/Matzek for the 8th and 9th with the other of that pairing available to bail Greene out or even go get a tough LH hitter in the 6th. Now you can bring Newk back up and give him and Jackson the 6th.
Martin and another consistent RH arm like Greene suddenly puts the pen back much closer to where it was in 2020.
ixiXSolidXixi
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Very soon Markakis is back!! 
ramadon101
Danville Rookie
Now Braves sign Tanner Roark to a minor league deal. Man that contract before 2020 the Jays gave him was horrible...
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Totally apples-and-oranges, but Roark has higher WARs (both bWAR and fWAR) than Smyly. I realize that's a totally arbitrary comparison and doesn't take into account where they actually may be in terms of ability right now. Roark looks to be worn out. Smyly less so, but may be heading in that direction.
Wondered about the Roark possibility when he was DFAd.
I agree with 50 that he looks worn out, but where's the risk? If he can somehow give you four or five 5 inning starts that you don't need to count on from Wright or Wilson, it certainly isn't going to hurt. There are going to be A LOT of innings that are going to need to be covered that aren't close to being handled yet. I know AA says they're not putting innings-limits on anyone and they're going to "play things by ear", but I still think that's strictly GM-speak. They're not going to push Fried or Ynoa to 150+ innings BEFORE the postseason starts and take a chance of having them blow out. They may be comfortable pushing Morton, Smyly, and any other veterans that they have on one-year deals because there's nothing to lose by doing so - the hope is that Soroka gets completely healthy and you save enough innings for Fried and Ynoa to make 4 or 5 playoff starts with him. If that happens you only need one other SP, and hopefully that guy is the Morton they hoped to get when they brought him in.
I don't think Roark is an answer to anything other than "who can we bring in to try to soak up 40-60 innings?", and I'm betting that he's not the last guy AA brings in for that if/when others like him become available.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Meh. We've got $11M invested in Smyly; he's gonna keep getting chances until he's good and dead. Morton, Anderson, Fried, Ynoa... there's no room at the inn. And if/when you have spot starts, they should go to the guys you're trying to develop. So I don't see Roark as an answer to any question we're asking.
Greene was a nice signing. Strop might be worth a look, too. I guess Roark could fill a long role, but we have Tomlin.
Greene was a nice signing. Strop might be worth a look, too. I guess Roark could fill a long role, but we have Tomlin.
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zbhargrove
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Because when you’re trying to get to a World Series it’s usually not best to keep throwing developmental guys out there for spot starts when they continue to get shelled like all of our developmental guys
Tapate50
Well-known member
Yeah that Ynoa bum has got to go. Free Roark!
Roark was brought in because they don't feel like Wright or Wilson can be counted on.
For as good as he's been for a handful of starts here, let's not get the cart before the horse - Folty made an All-Star team and lost it awfully quickly. It's reasonable to feel more comfortable about Ynoa than the other bottom of the rotation options right now, but I'd be lying if I said I'm still not holding my breath early in his starts. I rolled my eyes and said "oh *hit, here we go again" when McCutchen ambushed him last night just like I'm sure lots of people did.
I'd like to see a much longer track record of success from Ynoa before saying he's going to get a playoff start just yet - *ell, Newk made the Dodgers look like little leaguers not so long ago.
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Greene has been the same reliable Bp arm since the moment he entered the league. Why he didn’t sign a similar deal earlier may never be known, but he is a clear upgrade to this BP.
Well done AA, even if it’s a bit later than we wanted.
If Soroka can ever get back on the field, and the Ender/Heredia platoon approximates an MLB player in CF, this team is the 90ish win club we all expected. At the deadline they can add to the BP, rotation, or OF as needed.
Paging Starling Marte...you're needed in Atlanta sir.
Well done AA, even if it’s a bit later than we wanted.
If Soroka can ever get back on the field, and the Ender/Heredia platoon approximates an MLB player in CF, this team is the 90ish win club we all expected. At the deadline they can add to the BP, rotation, or OF as needed.
Paging Starling Marte...you're needed in Atlanta sir.
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50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
He's the guy I desperately wanted them to obtain at the deadline last year. D-Backs got a fungible MOR-ceiling (more likely BOR) ceiling and decent (if somewhat aging) minor league pitching prospect. Wonder what the Braves would have had to put together. Of course, there was the financial commitment that was going to roll over into 2021 and we've all seen how budget constraints are dictating a lot of the Braves' actions.
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