Shanks Follows Up On His Heyward Article

[Julio3000]

Still funny.

Just . . . so . . . mind-bogglingly . . . stupid. It never gets old.

 

[BremanFan88]

Just . . . so . . . mind-bogglingly . . . stupid. It never gets old.

When you have no facts to back up what you say you get desperate and just throw crap at the wall. Bill is pretty much a shock jock now. Controversy creates ratings.

 

[Carp]

I feel like when Jason Heyward is hitting well, he's one of the best players in baseball.

When Francouer is hitting well it's a miracle.

I chuckled

 

[Carp]

Multi. Hit. Games

 

[nsacpi]

I wonder what Bill Shanks would think of Glen Perkins.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/qa-glen-perkins-a-twin-his-fip-and-math/

I wonder if the Braves have a player into the stats the way Perkins is.

 

[TURBO]

That was a cool read

 

[Julio3000]

I wonder what Bill Shanks would think of Glen Perkins.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/qa-glen-perkins-a-twin-his-fip-and-math/

I wonder if the Braves have a player into the stats the way Perkins is.

We've had a couple of guys who were into tats. Close enough?

 

[jpx7]

We've had a couple of guys who were into tats. Close enough?

Something like this?

 

[Julio3000]

If he goes to his calculator while he's on the rubber, that's a balk.

 

[The Tariff King]

I wonder what Bill Shanks would think of Glen Perkins.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/qa-glen-perkins-a-twin-his-fip-and-math/

I wonder if the Braves have a player into the stats the way Perkins is.

The anti francoeur.

 

[TURBO]

Something like this?

Bet a lot of students wished this guy sat in-front of them during Algebra.

 

[Julio3000]

However, if he goes to his rubber while he's on the calculator, that's something else entirely.

/just the FIP

 

[jason27nc]

Its silly to ignore stats at this point. Every front office in the game have a few guys who are analytical. Bill needs to get into the modern times.

I agree but there are more to baseball than stats. You have to take into consideration good players can slump and still be playing good. For instance, a player may strike out 4 times in a game and on paper that look awful. In the game he may have fouled off a couple pitches and taking the pitcher to a 3 - 2 count. He may have just missed a home run that was foul by a foot. Then after 7 or 8 pitches he swings and misses. To me that was a good at bat but on paper in sucked. Then you have to take in to consideration luck and if a guy is hitting the ball hard. I know Heyward has hit some shots this year that was just caught.

 

[jpx7]

/just the FIP

Nice.

 

[BremanFan88]

I agree but there are more to baseball than stats. You have to take into consideration good players can slump and still be playing good. For instance, a player may strike out 4 times in a game and on paper that look awful. In the game he may have fouled off a couple pitches and taking the pitcher to a 3 - 2 count. He may have just missed a home run that was foul by a foot. Then after 7 or 8 pitches he swings and misses. To me that was a good at bat but on paper in sucked. Then you have to take in to consideration luck and if a guy is hitting the ball hard. I know Heyward has hit some shots this year that was just caught.

There are stats for most of that though. Stats for pitches seen, stats to see if guys are swinging at pitches in the zone or out. In Heyward's case line drive percentage was showing he was hitting the ball hard and his BABIP shows how unlucky he's been.

 

[BRule]

Multi. Hit. Games

Still can't believe that was his argument.

 

[ChapelHillMatt]

There are stats for most of that though. Stats for pitches seen, stats to see if guys are swinging at pitches in the zone or out. In Heyward's case line drive percentage was showing he was hitting the ball hard and his BABIP shows how unlucky he's been.

Where is the stat that shows what outs are productive and those that aren't?

 

[BremanFan88]

Where is the stat that shows what outs are productive and those that aren't?

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/productive?sort=productiveOutRatio&tp=team

Although "productive out" is a bit of an oxymoron because you prefer to have players that don't make outs at all. Oddly enough the Braves are one of the better productive outs teams. I'm glad they keep it a team stat though. Following a players ability to make a productive out seems odd since it's technically a failure but sacrifices and putting the ball in play in certain situation can be easily found to see if it results in DP's and what not. And obviously you can see if the player is even making contact too.

 

[BremanFan88]

I did some looking and baseball reference is actually keeping track of situational hitting and productive outs. Here's Dan Uggla's link(why not). He's actually solid at it this year.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/u/ugglada01-bat.shtml#batting_situational::none

 

[pfiggy]

Excellent discussion men, hard to believe it all started from a Bill Shanks article