Shooting at Mosque in Christchurch...

[thethe]

We literally spend billions of dollars a year bombing people in order to combat this. What more do you want?

That is to stop direct attacks on western soil (which failed up until the current administrations agenda to destroy the physical caliphate).

What is being done to stop the killings in Africa? Southeast Asia?

People don't even realize how many Christians are killed each year by Muslims and yet one nut who clearly was trying to sow division (a la Putin) commits a heinous massacre and its front page news.

 

[thethe]

it's possible to be concerned about the radicalization and terrorist acts of both Islamists and white nationalists

we have an interest in defeating both...and we can do this without demonizing entire religious or ethnic groups

Do we want to tally death counts? There is no comparison.

 

[sturg33]

How does it not? The reason people keep talking about Islamophobia and White Supremacist killings is because not much is being done to address it. The world is aware of extremism in the Middle East and abroad, which is why we’re involved in so much global conflict. But the moment someone so much as shakes their fist at White people doing the same thing, there’s a visceral reaction from the right.

What is a proposed solution to these white supremacists killings?

Ban white people?

Track all speech?

Take Been Shapiro off the air?


Legit question

 

[nsacpi]

of course we do, we have been at global war with Muslim terrorism for almost 20 years

we waterboard them...we drone them to coin a phrase

 

[mqt]

What is a proposed solution to these white supremacists killings?

Ban white people?

Track all speech?

Take Been Shapiro off the air?


Legit question

Fortunately I’m not in charge of addressing this, because I don’t know how to solve this particular societal ill. It just strikes me as ridiculous that something like this can occur and the response is, “but what about those Muslims?” To hide from the fact that there is an issue with white supremacy at times like this is absurd to me, just as it’s absurd to act as though there is not an issue with religious extremism. At the end of the day, the issue isn’t whiteness or Islam, it’s the way people are radicalized by evil individuals.

 

[mqt]

Because its not the 'whiteness' that spurs it on and yet that is the 'disease'.

However, with Islam its very easy to see what spurs on the radicalization.

As I mentioned in my last post, it’s the same thing to me. There are people either predisposed toward radicalization or influenced by people to become radicalized. The underlying issue is not Islam or being white. It’s the circumstances that allows someone to become radicalized. If you think that the conditions in the Middle East brought on by years of oppression, violence and poverty aren’t the real culprit in today’s global violence, you’re kidding yourself.

 

[thethe]

As I mentioned in my last post, it’s the same thing to me. There are people either predisposed toward radicalization or influenced by people to become radicalized. The underlying issue is not Islam or being white. It’s the circumstances that allows someone to become radicalized. If you think that the conditions in the Middle East brought on by years of oppression, violence and poverty aren’t the real culprit in today’s global violence, you’re kidding yourself.

Yes - Because Muslims weren't going around killing people indiscriminately for centuries. The real accelerant was granting the Jewish people a state but don't kid yourself. Muslims have been killing non-Muslims and Muslims alike in horrific numbers for centuries.

 

[thethe]

Further - In the Western world 'White Supremacy' has become coded language to tarnish Conservatism as a whole. It doesn't take long for the conflation to occur because unless you completely bow tot he pressure of saying White People are a big problem then you are part of the problem.

 

[nsacpi]

What is a proposed solution to these white supremacists killings?

there isnt a magic solution...but we can look more closely at how some of their discourse has entered the political mainstream and call it out

matt gaetz for example was tweeting about invading caravans from central america funded by soros and seeded by ISIS cells

it seems to me it is possible to have concerns about the caravans without resorting to that style of argumentation...which is paranoid, not factual and seeks to demonize entire groups

 

[nsacpi]

Yes - Because Muslims weren't going around killing people indiscriminately for centuries. The real accelerant was granting the Jewish people a state but don't kid yourself. Muslims have been killing non-Muslims and Muslims alike in horrific numbers for centuries.

I think you need to brush up on your history...I recommend in particular a look at the iberian peninsula during the period of the moors...historically religious minorities have often been better treated by Muslims than by Christians

 

[nsacpi]

Further - In the Western world 'White Supremacy' has become coded language to tarnish Conservatism as a whole. It doesn't take long for the conflation to occur because unless you completely bow tot he pressure of saying White People are a big problem then you are part of the problem.

actually there was a time when conservatives had an awareness that association with groups like the John Birch society was not helpful to the conservative cause...a similar distancing from the white nationalist fringe would not be a bad thing...instead they seem be increasingly finding a home in the mainstream...it is something to be concerned about

 

[thethe]

I think you need to brush up on your history...I recommend in particular a look at the iberian peninsula during the period of the moors...historically religious minorities have often been better treated by Muslims than by Christians

Of course - Not all Muslims are bad people.

And of course - Christianity was barbaric for centuries as well.

Lets look at current day and see who has evolved and who hasn't.

 

[thethe]

actually there was a time when conservatives had an awareness that association with groups like the John Birch society was not helpful to the conservative cause...a similar distancing from the white nationalist fringe would not be a bad thing...instead they seem be increasingly finding a home in the mainstream...it is something to be concerned about

Yes I kinow - Anyone that espouses ideas outside of the mainstream gets branded a radical.

I mean, you actually used the SPLC as a source of hate groups. Its a very convenient way to stop debate when you just silence your opponents.

 

[mqt]

Further - In the Western world 'White Supremacy' has become coded language to tarnish Conservatism as a whole. It doesn't take long for the conflation to occur because unless you completely bow tot he pressure of saying White People are a big problem then you are part of the problem.

I’m pretty sure you just gave a great argument for the dangers of Islamophobia and its effect on people of color if you literally just change the terms.

 

[thethe]

I’m pretty sure you just gave a great argument for the dangers of Islamophobia and its effect on people of color if you literally just change the terms.

This is absurd. Islam, or at the very least the radical version that spurs killing, espouses total control of an individuals life.

Conservativism is the exact opposite.

I can't for the life of me understand how someone could conflate the two.

 

[nsacpi]

Of course - Not all Muslims are bad people.

And of course - Christianity was barbaric for centuries as well.

Lets look at current day and see who has evolved and who hasn't.

well in the 20th century we had 3 great mass murderers

#1 was Mao

#2 was Stalin

#3 was Hitler

which one was the Muslim

was one of them a particular kind of white nationalist

 

[mqt]

Of course - Not all Muslims are bad people.

And of course - Christianity was barbaric for centuries as well.

Lets look at current day and see who has evolved and who hasn't.

Pretty sure the driving force is who “won” that particular set of wars. The Middle East was colonized and abused for centuries, and it continues to this day. Think just of the civilians we’ve slaughtered in the war on terror. What do you think happens when the young person whose family was killed by a drone strike in the past 10 years comes of age? One bad person promoting a distorted version of Islam can persuade that young person they have the solution to their anger/grief, and in 10 years we are on our way back to slaughter more people.

 

[mqt]

This is absurd. Islam, or at the very least the radical version that spurs killing, espouses total control of an individuals life.

Conservativism is the exact opposite.

I can't for the life of me understand how someone could conflate the two.

Conflating Islam with Islamists is pretty ****ing similar, my dude.

 

[thethe]

well in the 20th century we had 3 great mass murderers

#1 was Mao

#2 was Stalin

#3 was Hitler

which one was the Muslim

was one of them a particular kind of white nationalist

Anyone that pushes complete state nationalistic control should be of a concern for sure.

Hitler was also close with Islamists but I'm sure you know of that history as well.

 

[thethe]

Conflating Islam with Islamists is pretty ****ing similar, my dude.

Islam is a set of teachings that leads to a radical interpretation which become Islamists.

Are there a particular set of teachings of Conservativism that espouses killing people? Does this translate to 'Whiteness'?