Simmons dealt to Angels for two top pitchers, Aybar

Metaphysicist said:
I don't even care if this trade is fair or not, it is still depressing. It seems like yet another in a long series of moves designed to make the fanbase completely disinterested in the team.

Andrelton Simmons is exactly the type of player (young, cost-controlled, upside) the Braves should be acquiring if they are serious about 2017. The idea that we are gonna make a bunch of replacements through FA is preposterous. We are a ****ty team with no money, and terrible FA track record.
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I decided to take 2014 off after I realized where this was headed. Then 2015 happened. Figured I might as well stick with it. At this point f they'd agree to shoot us all an email when they've decided to bother to compete again, I'd stop checking in altogether.
 
rico43 said:
Raise your hand if you have no idea who Kiley McDaniel is. If you don't know, then you have no business weighing in on this discussion. McDaniel was WIDELY considered one of, if not the, foremost evaluator of amateur and international talent while at FanGraphs. And now he works exclusively for the Braves.

If I'm going to take the word of someone, I will make darn sure he knows more about the subject than I do. And McDaniel was for years the go-to guy for talent evaluation.
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I'm a big enough dork to have been following McDaniel since he was a pimply faced kid talking about begging for jobs at the winter meetings, and I like his evaluations a lot. But this greatly overestimates his prestige. He was a guy that hasn't been able to keep a steady job either inside baseball or in the baseball press for more than a year or two.

Since 2008-ish, he's bounced from his own failed website "saber-scouting," to BP, to ESPN, to Scout, and (finally, and most successfully) to Fangraphs as a freelance writer. Before that managed to log time at 3-4 MLB teams as a low level grunt/scout/whatever. I.e. he didn't make it from the inside and has since been climbing his way back from the outside on his own.

Now, there's nothing particularly wrong with that resume; it shows that's he kept at it for a long time and he makes a good enough impression that a lot of people have hired him. He's smart, driven, a clear-communicator, and seems pretty gall darn competent. And he must have made a good impression of Coppy back when he was with the Yankees. So I have no qualms adding him to our staff. It's great. But he's more like a polite, younger Keith Law than Scouting Jesus.
 
Heyward said:
I dont think anyone hates Newcomb its why cant we get any MLB ready or top tier bats in return.

Traded Gattis, Simmons, Heyward, Justin and didnt really get many bats in return, just pitching.
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Go back and listen to Hart regarding the plans. We have done nothing to abandon the plans yet. Losing popular players is never easy, but the plan is stockpile the pitching, load up the farm, and then start making trades and FA acquisitions. I believe the FO wants another top three pick in 2017 draft. We are going to be set in a year or two to go after top FAs as well as using this pitching to acquire anybody we want.
 
Dunit24 said:
Go back and listen to Hart regarding the plans. We have done nothing to abandon the plans yet. Losing popular players is never easy, but the plan is stockpile the pitching, load up the farm, and then start making trades and FA acquisitions.
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Don't waste your breath. I told these fools that a year ago. They didn't listen or, at least, couldn't accept it. On the positive side, at least we don't have to experience that annual forum meltdown...because a trade didn't happen soon enough after the World Series and give them something to bitch about.

:Bowman:
 
I thought the trade was awful when I first read about it, and I think it is every bit as bad after I've had time digest it. The trade sucks. :facepalm:
 
skillet said:
I thought the trade was awful when I first read about it, and I think it is every bit as bad after I've had time digest it. The trade sucks. :facepalm:
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Explain. I absolutely love Simba. I don't hate the trade at all. We didn't fleece the Angels is that it? Because the return no matter how much we hate it was not crap. I'm only irritated that we haven't gone all in.

Freddie is our last chip (thinking that the rotation won't be bothered unless Teheran - my pitching fav is dealt). Why waste him to lose like we did last year on the assumption we'll compete next year or in 2017. Enough with the smoke.
 
Deester11 said:
Explain. I absolutely love Simba. I don't hate the trade at all. We didn't fleece the Angels is that it? Because the return no matter how much we hate it was not crap. I'm only irritated that we haven't gone all in.

Freddie is our last chip (thinking that the rotation won't be bothered unless Teheran - my pitching fav is dealt). Why waste him to lose like we did last year on the assumption we'll compete next year or in 2017. Enough with the smoke.
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Because we traded away a once in a lifetime defensive gem who is a decent hitter and a huge fan favorite signed very reasonably for 5 years. Those are the guys you keep and build a franchise around, not trade away. And while the return we got was decent, the only way you even consider trading someone like that away is if they completely blow you away, and this return was nowhere near that.
 
skillet said:
Because we traded away a once in a lifetime defensive gem who is a decent hitter and a huge fan favorite signed very reasonably for 5 years. Those are the guys you keep and build a franchise around, not trade away. And while the return we got was decent, the only way you even consider trading someone like that away is if they completely blow you away, and this return was nowhere near that.
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Since when has Simmons ever been anywhere close to a decent hitter besides maybe his first 60 at-bats in the majors? This was a great trade. Newcomb is a special type of pitching prospect.
 
zbhargrove said:
Since when has Simmons ever been anywhere close to a decent hitter besides maybe his first 60 at-bats in the majors? This was a great trade. Newcomb is a special type of pitching prospect.
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Shhh zb......stop trying to make sense. Fact is that this trade was in the Braves opinion a can't miss. Whether or not it is, time will tell, but when I'm not thinking with my fan favorite heart, I'm thinking about what we got. I think we're set up to do great things. I just don't wanna be 60 when it happens.
 
zbhargrove said:
Since when has Simmons ever been anywhere close to a decent hitter besides maybe his first 60 at-bats in the majors? This was a great trade. Newcomb is a special type of pitching prospect.
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thank you. A million times over, I love Simba, I will miss Simba - I will not miss that bat. It hurts to lose him right now, but our pay off for the future COULD be huge.
 
I am relieved that, the more time passes since this deal went down, the more reasoned thinking is finding a voice. I hated the way Simmons regressed as a hitter and he didn't seem to be interested in fixing his swing at all.
 
rico43 said:
I am relieved that, the more time passes since this deal went down, the more reasoned thinking is finding a voice. I hated the way Simmons regressed as a hitter and he didn't seem to be interested in fixing his swing at all.
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Honestly. Look back at the knee jerk reactions. Then read the sensible posts for those who are at least thinking baseball sense. Newcombe is a true gem I hope for the future he's our new stud.
 
rico43 said:
I am relieved that, the more time passes since this deal went down, the more reasoned thinking is finding a voice. I hated the way Simmons regressed as a hitter and he didn't seem to be interested in fixing his swing at all.
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I personally don't have an issue at all with trading Simmons. I think he should be the first of many. My issue is that I want to see some high end offense coming back in the trades and that's not happening. And I don't accept that "teams aren't willing to move bats" since current and recent history shows otherwise.

The whole Aybar part of the deal has the smell of Casey Kotchman about it for me..
 
Horsehide Harry said:
I personally don't have an issue at all with trading Simmons. I think he should be the first of many. My issue is that I want to see some high end offense coming back in the trades and that's not happening. And I don't accept that "teams aren't willing to move bats" since current and recent history shows otherwise.

The whole Aybar part of the deal has the smell of Casey Kotchman about it for me..
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Think folks will be pleased with Aybar. Think Edgar Renteria.
 
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