It's that, plus the overreaction to the Uggla situation. Hence, La Stella's potential upside gets exaggerated as the new savior.
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It's that, plus the overreaction to the Uggla situation. Hence, La Stella's potential upside gets exaggerated as the new savior.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
NOW we would all be ecstatic. Uggla beat those numbers his first two years and ended up getting cut from the playoffs.
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
ZiPS has Uggla projected at 1.4 WAR and BJ Upton projected at 2.1 WAR for 2014.
Knowing what we got last year from them, would you take that this year? Obviously, it doesn't match their contract status, but they won't be a negative impact. I think they have BJ projected to have 21 home runs and 23 stolen bases.
Knowing what we got last year from them, would you take that this year? Obviously, it doesn't match their contract status, but they won't be a negative impact. I think they have BJ projected to have 21 home runs and 23 stolen bases.
@JonHeymanCBS: asked ozzie smith the 3 greatest SS he's seen. he mentioned omar vizquel, elvis andrus & andrelton simmons. @MLBNetwork
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High praise.
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High praise.
I think Uggla is an absolute lost cause but I do believe BJ will have a solid unspectacular year. Braves just need to move on from Uggla.
KB21
Where's My Cup of Coffee?
That Texiera trade just keeps looking worse and worse.
MadduxFanII
Swallowed by Mark Bowman
I would slaughter a cow and offer its innards to whatever dark god watched over baseball if it meant getting 2.1 WAR, 21 home runs and 23 stolen bases out of BJ Upton.
It's done and over with. There is little chance the team would have kept Andrus long term with Simmons right behind him.
benchguy
High School Draftee
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I would settle for one of them being half-way productive. We survived having two black holes in the lineup last year. Don't want to test the team's ability to do that again.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
How?
Outside of Andrus, who on there did we really lose that hurts, though an Andrus/Simmons combo up the middle would be insane defensively.
Feliz is a RP.
Thats about it.
Not even sure we'd have Simmons if Andrus stayed.
The Wainwright trade hurts more than Tex, tbh.
Yeah for all the moaning about the Teixeira trade, someone once did a post-Tex trade WAR analysis comparing the players we lost to the players we had instead. Interestingly, the guys we had in place here had a higher cumulative WAR than the guys we traded.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
It sure would have been nice to have Matt Harrison in the rotation over Jo-Jo Reyes who was the Rangers first choice there.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
He has back problems right now, he's good,yes, but nothing more than a #2-3 type starter which we produce many of.
The Tex trade is hardly one of the worst trades in all of sports the way some make it seem.
AUTiger7222
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Agreed.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
I'm not a stathead, but I think his BB/K and OBP pop.
On a team that has plenty of power, I'd like to see if his skillset complements the rest of the roster like I think it would. Then we wouldn't have to lead off a 6'6", 245 lb run producer.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
I've long moved on, but yeah, kind of it was.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
It was absolutely one of the worst trades of all time.
Prospects falling out hurt. But all those guys peak rankings on BA's top 100
Felix - 9
Salty - 18 (was 36 when traded though)
Harrison - 90
Andrus - 19
So we traded 3 guys who were or became at one point top 20 prospects. It would have been almost akin to making a trade in 2010 with Heyward, Freeman, Hanson, and Julio. Obviously the latter package held more value with 3 top 10 prospects, but just so you have a reference to how highly regarded those guys were or how talented (in the case of Feliz)
While sure some of them didn't pan out. THere are 2 ways to look at it about how screwed we got. We got 6.1 rWAR out of Tex, Texas got a combined 33.8 rWAR from the prospects we traded them, and still counting since all but Salty are still there. THe other way we got boned was we could have had all those guys for trade bait. Imagine if you would having Andrus, and being able to include Escobar to get Peavy or being able to make an offer similar to the value as to what Detroit gave up for Miggy, or any number of other potential trades we could have made instead of the Teixeria trade which was a horrible trade. Anyone who thinks it wasn't one of the worst trades ever is a fool. Set the Franchise backa few years by gutting the minors. We were lucky enough to have gotten Jason and Freddie when we did to rebuild it.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
I dont think the Rangers or Braves were winners in this trade. Salty was meh. Andrus got way over paid. Harrison got a big contract and hasnt been healthy since. Feliz never made it as a starter and then went down to TJ surgery. The real winner here were the Angels because they drafted Mike Trout with the compensation pick for Teixeira. This trade was the single best trade in Angels history and they werent even involved.