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KB21 said:
I'm all for Snitker getting the job. Unlike some, I'd rather have a Bobby Cox protege than a coach that is going to coach from a spreadsheet. I think Snitker has handled the pitching staff as good as it can be handled. He knows when to take the young guys out, and I like that he is aggressive with the platoon match ups in the bullpen. No one's arm is getting overworked.

The big thing though, and this is the most underrated aspect of managing, is how he handles the clubhouse. These guys have responded to him. They have taken on his personality, whereas they had taken on Fredi's personality previously.

Bobby Cox is one of the greatest baseball managers of all time, and I will never understand the hate that is thrown his way by those that want to go away from his ideas on managing.
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Bobby was one of if not the greatest player's manager of all time, he had their respect and got the most out of them. He was also a pretty mediocre to terrible "in game" manager. He stubbornly stuck with veteran players too long, seemed deathly afraid of lefty batters facing lefty arms and was routinely out managed with matchups. The problem is, one of his protege's are likely to do the latter without having the former (see Fredi)
 
KB21 said:
I'm all for Snitker getting the job. Unlike some, I'd rather have a Bobby Cox protege than a coach that is going to coach from a spreadsheet. I think Snitker has handled the pitching staff as good as it can be handled. He knows when to take the young guys out, and I like that he is aggressive with the platoon match ups in the bullpen. No one's arm is getting overworked.

The big thing though, and this is the most underrated aspect of managing, is how he handles the clubhouse. These guys have responded to him. They have taken on his personality, whereas they had taken on Fredi's personality previously.

Bobby Cox is one of the greatest baseball managers of all time, and I will never understand the hate that is thrown his way by those that want to go away from his ideas on managing.
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If Cox was one of the greatest managers of all time we would have more rings than one. He was a heck of a talent evaluator I will give you that. But he was outmanaged by Kelly, Cito, Fergosi, and Torre because he was just too predictable. The man had the best team in baseball from 1993-'01 and only had one championship, He has to own that.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
If Cox was one of the greatest managers of all time we would have more rings than one. He was a heck of a talent evaluator I will give you that. But he was outmanaged by Kelly, Cito, Fergosi, and Torre because he was just too predictable. The man had the best team in baseball from 1993-'01 and only had one championship, He has to own that.
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I don't think Bobby has ever not owned that.

He said it frequently before he retired and after that his biggest regret is we only got 1.
 
Another point his main offensive short coming was he managed an NL squad like an AL squad. Too much dependence on the home run. Never used speed when he had it. You don't get those dingers against the other teams' 1-2s.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
If Cox was one of the greatest managers of all time we would have more rings than one. He was a heck of a talent evaluator I will give you that. But he was outmanaged by Kelly, Cito, Fergosi, and Torre because he was just too predictable. The man had the best team in baseball from 1993-'01 and only had one championship, He has to own that.
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I need a little more information about what you mean by Cox being predictable and how that impacted baseball games.
 
What I mean is he never ran even when he had speed, and his bullpen management was 6 innings for starter, 7th guy, 8th guy, closer. That formula worked good four nights out of six in the summer but not in playoffs where every pitch mattered.
 
Seems we were always in extras pushed to a game 7 which was unbelievable with the talent we had. Coming off '95, we should have steamrolled to 3 straight championships.
 
Russ2dollas said:
IMO u can't be manager if u hit jace first
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Given this team and with Smith injured, who should bat first. I suppose one could make an argument for Inciarte, but Peterson is playing fairly well right now so I don't see a problem with him leading off. If he reverts to his expected form, move him down.
 
50PoundHead said:
Given this team and with Smith injured, who should bat first. I suppose one could make an argument for Inciarte, but Peterson is playing fairly well right now so I don't see a problem with him leading off. If he reverts to his expected form, move him down.
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What if Jace is really maturing and improving, and this is his expected form?

Sometimes guys get better.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
If Cox was one of the greatest managers of all time we would have more rings than one. He was a heck of a talent evaluator I will give you that. But he was outmanaged by Kelly, Cito, Fergosi, and Torre because he was just too predictable. The man had the best team in baseball from 1993-'01 and only had one championship, He has to own that.
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He also won 14 straight division titles, which is something no one else in baseball has done. Not Joe Torre. Not Tony LaRussa. He also won with different players and different styles of teams. He almost always maximized what he had, whether it was the teams that rotated Rafael Belliard and Jeff Blauser at short stop based upon defensive match ups, or the team that brought up 18 rookies during the season, he still won. There isn't a manager in baseball that I would take over Bobby Cox.

You can see some Bobby in Snit as well. After 37 games with Fredi this year, Atlanta had won 24% of their games. After 37 games with Snit, Atlanta has won 46% of their games. The only major change is with the person that is managing that clubhouse.
 
VirginiaBrave said:
What I mean is he never ran even when he had speed, and his bullpen management was 6 innings for starter, 7th guy, 8th guy, closer. That formula worked good four nights out of six in the summer but not in playoffs where every pitch mattered.
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So, Otis Nixon didn't steal 76 bases in 1991 while Ron Gant was a 30/30 guy with 32 home runs and 35 stolen bases?

It cracks me up that so many Braves fans try to diminish the greatness of Bobby Cox. You have the sabermetric BS wrapped up in your head too much. The way some of you talk about him, I'm surprised Atlanta was ever able to win 80 games with him as the manager.
 
KB21 said:
So, Otis Nixon didn't steal 76 bases in 1991 while Ron Gant was a 30/30 guy with 32 home runs and 35 stolen bases?

It cracks me up that so many Braves fans try to diminish the greatness of Bobby Cox. You have the sabermetric BS wrapped up in your head too much. The way some of you talk about him, I'm surprised Atlanta was ever able to win 80 games with him as the manager.
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sigh..... you really are a flat earther

Managers simply don't make that big of a difference, maybe a handful of games a year, but you want a guy who makes smart decisions on the field. Bobby wasn't very good at this. It doesn't take a modern metric to see this, my old man griped about him for years and he's a bigger flat earther than you are. Bobby had talent, a huge payroll and his skills as a player's manager. He didn't have much "on the field" ability tho, not relative to others you mentioned (and his biggest flaw was how he constantly tried to run the game differently in the playoffs and it cost him)
 
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