Of course that's his job, but if he wants to start talking about cuts and waste... he should check his resume first. Instead of being the lone ranger on fiscal responsibility, look in the mirror.
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Of course that's his job, but if he wants to start talking about cuts and waste... he should check his resume first. Instead of being the lone ranger on fiscal responsibility, look in the mirror.
Tapate50
Well-known member
Are you claiming the money he got for his voters that they needed.... Waste?
What would they call it?
Why do you insist I'm arguing it from his constituent's perspective.
I'm strictly saying on the federal level, he's been the right's posterchild for fiscal responsibility and cuts. Yet he reigns in pork as good as anyone else. Yes he's doing his district a good duty, but let's not pretend his state doesn't receive welfare money too that he's so desperately wants to cut.
Also, since he lives in a very very conservative district, I'd say his constituents don't care about the pork.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
If a legislator is getting funding for something in his district that has a legitimate public purpose beyond his district, that's not pork. But I really laugh when the same folks who do this for the sake of jobs in their districts and then turn around and claim that John Maynard Keynes the anti-Christ. It just gets a bit rich.
I don't know if I'd go as far as sturg33 in labeling Ryan a joke, but he's pretty thin broth.
I don't know if I'd go as far as sturg33 in labeling Ryan a joke, but he's pretty thin broth.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Dude, you'd have an easier time convincing every conservative on this board that Obama is the greatest president ever than you would in convincing them that Reagan ever did anything wrong. Even if you show them some of the stuff he did you'd at best get an "well he had his reasons" or "I'd still take him over....". Once you get to this level of name recognition and acceptance I"m surprised they don't build and name a church in his name. I know this will probably offend some of you guys, but I seem to be on a roll with that lately anyway, so...
Reagan did also do some epically good things as president, but he was guilty of all the things in your pic, and more, but they could literally see him committing ritual human sacrifice, while taking part in a satanic worship ceremony, while robbing a convenience store and performing unclean acts with a goat and they would simply shrug if off. They're more blind and insanely devoted to this guy's memory than all Dems are about Clinton, Obama, JFK, and FDR all combined. It's one thing to like or admire a current or former president but Republican idolizing of this guy is beyond crazy AND scary!!!
Reagan did also do some epically good things as president, but he was guilty of all the things in your pic, and more, but they could literally see him committing ritual human sacrifice, while taking part in a satanic worship ceremony, while robbing a convenience store and performing unclean acts with a goat and they would simply shrug if off. They're more blind and insanely devoted to this guy's memory than all Dems are about Clinton, Obama, JFK, and FDR all combined. It's one thing to like or admire a current or former president but Republican idolizing of this guy is beyond crazy AND scary!!!
I think this would be a more thorough and cover more of what you said when you said "and more".
I'm trying to catch up with Julio's thanks total but it's not working. I'm a failure in e-life.
My biggest I told ya so was for a decade telling people Chipper Jones' best swings came with 2 hands on the bat and not letting go of the top hand. If only he'd listen to me. He'd have 500hrs and be a first ballot HOF
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Haha, I remember that. The 12-year-old batting mechanics SAVant.
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
Obviously he made mistakes, but it's all relative. I mean compared to most presidents Reagan's cons list is pretty tame and his pros list is pretty impressive. When looking at it from an unbiased perspective that is. Plus as per usual memes are misleading. Great, Reagan raised taxes 11 times but what was the highest rate when he was sworn in and what was it when he left?
Sav's 2nd Meme is just absurd and not worthy of legitimate debate. Tapate is right, Sav was going for e cred on that one. His e sheep backed him up.
Also, the idea that Reagan ignored AIDS is just a myth. Did he do enough? Probably not, but the federal government spent billions of dollars on AIDS research during his tenure, which is far from ignoring it.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I think a lot of the mythmaking surrounding Reagan does tend to ignore the man himself. He gets a pass from conservatives for the misery in El Salvador and Guatemala, and, jeez, let's not even get started on Iran-Contra. If Benghazi is some kind of unforgivable scandal, what the hell do you call covertly selling sophisticated weapons to an acknowledged enemy, then using to the proceeds to illegally fund an insurgent movement in a sovereign country?
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Obviously he made mistakes, but it's all relative. I mean compared to most presidents Reagan's cons list is pretty tame and his pros list is pretty impressive. When looking at it from an unbiased perspective that is. Plus as per usual memes are misleading. Great, Reagan raised taxes 11 times but what was the highest rate when he was sworn in and what was it when he left?
Sav's 2nd Meme is just absurd and not worthy of legitimate debate. Tapate is right, Sav was going for e cred on that one. His e sheep backed him up.
Also, the idea that Reagan ignored AIDS is just a myth. Did he do enough? Probably not, but the federal government spent billions of dollars on AIDS research during his tenure, which is far from ignoring it.
Is there any such thing as an unbiased when talking about a politician??? You WILL notice that when anyone talks disparagingly about any Repub icon the bucket brigade WILL show up to defend them, it isn't always the same person mind you, but they will be out, usually with some prepackaged Repub talking points or a nice article from a far right website to try and discredit the disparagers (kudos to you for all original thoughts!!!) but isn't that fairly close to e behavior?? Anyway I was THE Reagan Republican back then, more hardcore than anyone on this board except for probably Vol and King and I don't know where the hell they get theirs from. You'll also notice I did say a couple of good things about him. I also remember what things were really like back then and I remember how he started (or at least oversaw) the process of a military buildup that caused the Soviet economy to implode (yeah I know there was more to it than that but I still give him a lot of credit for that) only to turn around and let the defense contractors, the savings and loan bigshots and big business in general anal rape the federal treasury for his presidency, a practice that's still going on today. He did make light of AIDS, created the concept of the welfare grandma, and did some other pretty crappy stuff. Oh and you'll notice I was a good boy this time and didn't even bring up Iran-Contra or the October Surprise.
By the way, in spite of his warts he's still more epic than any pretender Repub we've had since then.
EDIT: What second meme?
You've gone from being on a roll to AVALANCHE!!
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Just spreading the truth brah, but I doubt many will admit to that. It also helps when you're the freakin' Highlander and you've been around long enough to see a LOT of presidents come and go..............
What was it like to see Grover Cleveland get elected in non consecutive terms?
weso1
<B>Clique Leader</B>
You consistently bring up the point that foreign policy is complicated when defending Obama. Shouldn't we consider the same when discussing Reagan's foreign policy decisions? Or do we have all the answers there? Every president has blood on his hands either by action or inaction. Obama certainly has and will have blood on his hands via the middle east. But in the end I think we need to look at it from a relative sense. How did Reagan's decisions effect the US and the world compare to the decisions of other presidents? Was it truly that significant even though the blood shed existed? The US became very prosperous after Reagan and his philosophical predecessor left office in the 90's.
The mistakes of Presidents are amplified due to the magnitude of those decisions. So what were the worst decisions Reagan made and how did that impact the US in the world. Sometimes I also think we as human beings see political decisions we disagree with and assume they are mistakes.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Eh, he wasn't nearly as good a pitcher as they made him out to be, I don't know how in the heck he got into the HOF