Some Personal Thoughts On Brian Snitker

Super said:
That’s inexcusable then. There are zero toddlers involved in this. We are talking about grown adults. If you can’t handle doing what’s best for the team then get out? Like this isn’t complicated.
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Again, you just aren't being realistic. The world doesn't run on what makes sense on paper. Player's voices matter. If they rally around Perez or Weiss after making the playoffs, then that will be our next manager. Thems just the facts. And there is a ton of real world history in sports that supports that exact scenario.
 
I’d agree, I don’t really care if another dinosaur comes in and does well. Snit isn’t doing a single thing well right now, so why keep him? He’s failing at every aspect of being a manager - a job that typically doesn’t affect wins and losses that much. He’s actively making the team worse. It’s time to go regardless of who takes over.
 
Carp said:
Again, you just aren't being realistic. The world doesn't run on what makes sense on paper. Player's voices matter. If they rally around Perez or Weiss after making the playoffs, then that will be our next manager. Thems just the facts. And there is a ton of real world history in sports that supports that exact scenario.
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So who cares? They aren’t “rallying” around Snitker right now. I’d rather someone they may really around than someone they clearly aren’t. I think it’s a lame excuse either way. Snit is hurting the team. Period.
 
Super said:
So who cares? They aren’t “rallying” around Snitker right now. I’d rather someone they may really around than someone they clearly aren’t. I think it’s a lame excuse either way. Snit is hurting the team. Period.
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Again, no is saying you aren't correct that we should move on from Snit and that the FO should interview outside of the organization this off-season. But make no mistake, if we replace Snit now and we make the playoffs (which are still likely to do even with Snit) then that guy will most likely be our manager for the foreseeable future. Are you really willing to bet the next 4-5 years (maybe more) for the chance that Weiss or Perez are maybe slightly better managers this year, when we are already pretty likely to make the playoffs as it is? I mean there is also chance both of them are markedly worse managers than Snit.

I am for firing Snit, but let's not make a move just say we made a move.
 
Carp said:
Again, no is saying you aren't correct that we should move on from Snit and that the FO should interview outside of the organization this off-season. But make no mistake, if we replace Snit now and we make the playoffs (which are still likely to do even with Snit) then that guy will most likely be our manager for the foreseeable future. Are you really willing to bet the next 4-5 years (maybe more) for the chance that Weiss or Perez are maybe slightly better managers this year, when we are already pretty likely to make the playoffs as it is? I mean there is also chance both of them are markedly worse managers than Snit.

I am for firing Snit, but let's not make a move just say we made a move.
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so what happen if the team makes a good run in the playoffs with twit, and then he decides he wants to continue to suck on the blood of the org.. can AA still fire him when he knows the facebook fans will be pissed because "players just run through walls for him still"

But even if twit does retire and gets to go out on his own terms (boy I will be pissed).. wouldn't he get to sort of recommend one of his coach to pass the torch off too.. it technically still puts AA in a tough spot if what you are saying (AA has no balls what so ever) is true, because the manager who just lead the team to another playoff run hand picked his replacement.
 
CrimsonCowboy said:
Some hopefully rational thoughts here.

As I mentioned before, I’ve been very patient with Brian Snitker. I’m a fan that has been, with the exception of Mike McCarthy, I’ve been patient with coaches. But there come a point when the patience wears thin. That time for me has arrived with Brian Snitker.

Tonight was one of his worst. Pinch-hitting Eddie Rosario for Eli White was head scratching to say the least. And not only that, didn’t even ask how Spencer Strider’s bullpen session went. That’s incredible, and not in a good way. All this added to the Kelenic deal and Ronald Acuna’s reaction to it and Snit barely saying anything about it. Starting to get the sense not just the game has passed him by, but it seems he’s just sitting there the dugout and nothing else. It’s tough to see as a Braves fan.

The past several seasons, Snitker has gotten a pass. I don’t have that sense anymore. He has gotten more criticism in a season that I ever remember. Guys like David O’Brien and Mark Bowman have been questioning more than I ever remember. National guys like Ken Rosenthal, who I think is one of, if not the most credible, reporters in MLB, has voiced criticism of how the Kelenic deal was handled. Even tonight, Barrett Salee posted on X if anyone would question him about the decision to pinch hit with Rosario. When a guy on the team’s radio network is outwardly questioning, that grabs attention.

Now, I do believe this is Brian Snitker’s final season. I’ve believed that since last season ended, bases solely on this being the final year of his contract. Would letting him go now make a difference? I don’t really know the answer to that. Because if the Braves did that, the interim manager would either be Eddie Perez or Walt Weiss. I wonder how different their style would be from Snitker. It will make a potential interesting off-season. I would hope the Braves would look outside the organization. Seen Alabama football stay in the “family” before, and the results haven’t always been the best.
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Agree with most everything you say, but why is Rosario even on the roster? Front office seems in love with the idea of bringing back retreads like Rosario and Chavez, to what end I have no idea. I'm not going to defend Snitker's obvious mistakes, but when he looks at the bench (outside of Baldwin/Murphy), his choices amount to trying to put out a forest fire with a Nerf Super Soaker.

Definitely agree that this is probably Snitker's last year regardless of what happens.

I loved the stability of the Schuerholz/Cox era, but you'd have to borrow Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine to get there now. That thinking seems to be ingrained in the organization and it's time to turn the page. I'm an outlier on Anthopoulos (Top Ten GM, but not the genius some make him out to be) and I don't fully trust him to make the choice on a new direction. He had John Gibbons managing for him in Toronto and he's as old school as Snitker. Only difference is Gibbons would have probably drove Kelenic to Gwinnett himself the night of Kelenic's screw-up.

As others have said, this is a talented team (though not as talented as some think) and the playoff race is going to be the equivalent of a mosh pit. Acuna comes back healthy and Strider gets back in the rotation and things start looking up. If the team ever gets the bats going, they could run off a 20-10 month (or better) and all the hand-wringing is in the rearview mirror.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
so what happen if the team makes a good run in the playoffs with twit, and then he decides he wants to continue to suck on the blood of the org.. can AA still fire him when he knows the facebook fans will be pissed because "players just run through walls for him still"

But even if twit does retire and gets to go out on his own terms (boy I will be pissed).. wouldn't he get to sort of recommend one of his coach to pass the torch off too.. it technically still puts AA in a tough spot if what you are saying (AA has no balls what so ever) is true, because the manager who just lead the team to another playoff run hand picked his replacement.
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Snit has hinted he plans to retire soon. We've already "been there done that with Snit." If we lose in the playoffs without making the WS, he's gone. If we make or win another WS this year, it's unlikely he would continue managing, imo. Of course, if we win another WS this year, everyone's opinion that he is the worst manager ever would be pretty moot.

And "hand picking a replacement" isn't gonna happen. It didn't happen when Bobby retired and Bobby was about a million times more respected in this organization than Snit ever was.
 
Carp said:
Snit has hinted he plans to retire soon. We've already "been there done that with Snit." If we lose in the playoffs without making the WS, he's gone. If we make or win another WS this year, it's unlikely he would continue managing, imo. Of course, if we win another WS this year, everyone's opinion that he is the worst manager ever would be pretty moot.

And "hand picking a replacement" isn't gonna happen. It didn't happen when Bobby retired and Bobby was about a million times more respected in this organization than Snit ever was.
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come on.. you don't think Cox had a huge say in who was replacing him. Fredi was his 3rd base coach for years and already had manager experience with the Fish..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
come on.. you don't think Cox had a huge say in who was replacing him. Fredi was his 3rd base coach for years and already had manager experience with the Fish..
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Agree. Fredi coached for the Braves prior to getting the Marlins' managerial post and came back to the Braves after he was fired. He was a known commodity with roots in the Schuerholz/Cox matrix.
 
I think Snit is tired of being in the dugout to be honest. This is his last year regardless and I think AA and the rest of the team knows it. You can just tell by his body language he's checked out mentally.
 
msstate7 said:
Punting this season just to not hurt snit's feelings is dumb. Acuna and strider will be back soon, and this team has played well since the horrid start. If we have a better option on the bench than snit, pull the trigger... the braves owe him nothing.
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No, I meant punting the season because the talent isn’t there to compete with the very best teams. There’s still a lot of talent, but also some black holes on the roster that cannot just be plugged at the deadline. They‘re still good enough to make the playoffs, but then the roster needs an overhaul. Then make another run with a new skipper.

And honestly, if we get a combined 5 WAR from Strider and Acuns this season, we should consider that a successful return. But that‘s not going to lift this team to another level.
 
Strike3urout said:
No, I meant punting the season because the talent isn’t there to compete with the very best teams. There’s still a lot of talent, but also some black holes on the roster that cannot just be plugged at the deadline. They‘re still good enough to make the playoffs, but then the roster needs an overhaul. Then make another run with a new skipper.

And honestly, if we get a combined 5 WAR from Strider and Acuns this season, we should consider that a successful return. But that‘s not going to lift this team to another level.
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This is just silly. There’s plenty of talent on the team to make a playoff run.
 
Carp said:
Snit has hinted he plans to retire soon. We've already "been there done that with Snit." If we lose in the playoffs without making the WS, he's gone. If we make or win another WS this year, it's unlikely he would continue managing, imo. Of course, if we win another WS this year, everyone's opinion that he is the worst manager ever would be pretty moot.

And "hand picking a replacement" isn't gonna happen. It didn't happen when Bobby retired and Bobby was about a million times more respected in this organization than Snit ever was.
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Chipper and Bobby 100% had a hand in picking Fredi. Chipper even alluded to it after he was hired.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
come on.. you don't think Cox had a huge say in who was replacing him. Fredi was his 3rd base coach for years and already had manager experience with the Fish..
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You don't think he would have chosen a guy already on staff if that was the case? Hell Snitker was already on the coaching staff in 2010.
 
Huh?? The talent is definitely there. It's still a top 5 roster in baseball.
Strike3urout said:
No, I meant punting the season because the talent isn’t there to compete with the very best teams. There’s still a lot of talent, but also some black holes on the roster that cannot just be plugged at the deadline. They‘re still good enough to make the playoffs, but then the roster needs an overhaul. Then make another run with a new skipper.

And honestly, if we get a combined 5 WAR from Strider and Acuns this season, we should consider that a successful return. But that‘s not going to lift this team to another level.
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Carp said:
You don't think he would have chosen a guy already on staff if that was the case? Hell Snitker was already on the coaching staff in 2010.
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It was a forgone conclusion that Fredi would be the heir apparent once the Marlins let him go in the middle of the 2010 season. There was an interview with Chipper at the end of the year that said something to the effect of, “We’ve discussed it. And I think we all know who we want to replace Bobby.”

And, I mean, Fredi was hired not even two days after Bobby’s last game.
 
CyYoung31 said:
It was a forgone conclusion that Fredi would be the heir apparent once the Marlins let him go in the middle of the 2010 season. There was an interview with Chipper at the end of the year that said something to the effect of, “We’ve discussed it. And I think we all know who we want to replace Bobby.”

And, I mean, Fredi was hired not even two days after Bobby’s last game.
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This. Everyone in baseball knew it was Fredi that summer.
 
I think Snit may be retarded like everybody else, but my deepest disappointment is with our GM. He had a lot of work to do this offseason and he didn't do it. The one guy he did bring in is an outfielder with very poor defensive metrics who's gonna slug about .380 without hCg on board. And Alex should have known he could be dirty given the company he keeps.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
AA should come out on the mound tonight when twit makes his pitching change and take the ball from twit and motion to Sorryio to take over. Make twit take the walk of shame off the field to a chorus of boos. Then when Sorryio is standing on the mound as the new manager motion To the pen and call on perez to replace Sorryio. Don’t even let sorryio walk to the club house. He has to go through the stands and out the fan gates so he can be boo’d the whole way to his car. Perez can be manager for the rest of the year and at least make the Latin contingent happy.
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Matt, if you had the opportunity, no, obligation, to spank Snitker or Rosario, and you had to choose between the two of them, which one would you give the red ass?
 
50PoundHead said:
Agree with most everything you say, but why is Rosario even on the roster? Front office seems in love with the idea of bringing back retreads like Rosario and Chavez, to what end I have no idea. I'm not going to defend Snitker's obvious mistakes, but when he looks at the bench (outside of Baldwin/Murphy), his choices amount to trying to put out a forest fire with a Nerf Super Soaker.

Definitely agree that this is probably Snitker's last year regardless of what happens.

I loved the stability of the Schuerholz/Cox era, but you'd have to borrow Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine to get there now. That thinking seems to be ingrained in the organization and it's time to turn the page. I'm an outlier on Anthopoulos (Top Ten GM, but not the genius some make him out to be) and I don't fully trust him to make the choice on a new direction. He had John Gibbons managing for him in Toronto and he's as old school as Snitker. Only difference is Gibbons would have probably drove Kelenic to Gwinnett himself the night of Kelenic's screw-up.

As others have said, this is a talented team (though not as talented as some think) and the playoff race is going to be the equivalent of a mosh pit. Acuna comes back healthy and Strider gets back in the rotation and things start looking up. If the team ever gets the bats going, they could run off a 20-10 month (or better) and all the hand-wringing is in the rearview mirror.
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With everything you said, 50, this caught my eye immediately. And I say that because I have, quite legitimately, put a lot of stock into your baseball takes and experience since 2003.

At any rate, I would just love if you could expound and expand on this particular point in regards to how you see the talent(s) of this year's version of our Braves
 
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