Some Red State/Blue State Indicia

zitothebrave said:
How would you have done things differently? SInce it's so clear and obvious. How would you stop a brush fire from expanding in high winds?
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Clearing the brush would be the obvious. Prevention is the key

Have more firefighters and working water.

The mayor was warned from the fire chief that cutting the budget could result in a disaster. Look what happened.
 
Folks, it's estimated that between 4-12 million acres burned annually in California before it was settled. I'm not sure why this is worth arguing about. Humans have done generally done an adequate job at managing it the last 50-100 years. But it's gonna burn regardless.

Global warming isn't causing this disaster. And neither is government negligence.
 
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Garmel said:
Clearing the brush would be the obvious. Prevention is the key

Have more firefighters and working water.

The mayor was warned from the fire chief that cutting the budget could result in a disaster. Look what happened.
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But what does that person know? Zito said so.
 
sturg33 said:
I will re-post from earlier. These things are direct policies with DEI/Woke driving factor. And we are deeply paying the price.

Additionally, it's impossible to quantify, but any minute or dollar spent on **** like DEI and not fire prevention, is hurting the LAFD's ability to respond as optimally as it needs to

Bull ****

It's not like wild fires are some unknown threat in California. But the incompetence and malice in both preparedness and the response has been staggering.

1. Woke policies wasted 2 years of record rainfall. Now they have water shortages (ESG!)

2. Woke policies prevented controlled Forrest fires and fire management (climate change!)

3. Woke policies ran off insurance companies to cover these situations (price gouging!).

4. Woke policies result in hundreds of firemen being forced out ( covid!)

Now we have the fires... and the lesbian fire chief cluelessly decries that they don't have enough water in the hydrants or firefighters to respond. And the state doesn't have enough money in the insurance fund to cover the damage. Now Florida and Texas citizens will be forced to bail out the rich people who lost their homes

I BEG YOU to stop making excuses for these losers and start demanding some accountability for failure
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1) I’m absolutely on board with evaluating the impact of California’s water policies on fire prevention. I don’t have cameras inside the water lines, so I’ll wait for the facts to come out on whether or not they ran themselves out of water or not.

2) Climate science isn’t wokeism, it’s science. If the actions taken thus far prove to have been ineffective at stopping forest fires, I support a change. But a bunch of communications majors grifting on Twitter and Donald Trump saying that California mismanaged its forests is not enough for me to take that at face value when wildfires are on the rise globally.

3) Agreed, although there’s some nuance here. If multi-million dollar homes are being left uninsured solely due to statutes not allowing insurance companies to charge a certain amount, at the very least they need to change the laws to allow for the wealthy to buy whatever expensive insurance they require. If multi-million dollar homes are being left uninsured because of statutes protecting insurance companies from making insurance unaffordable for poor people, there’s more to that story. I don’t really know, because I’ve not made it a priority to study up on insurance practices in SoCal.

4) Yeah, sure. I still think if we’re going to bother having the largest defense budget in the world that we could spend less on bombs and more on domestic disaster relief so that states and cities don’t have to worry about manpower, but if there’s a shortage of firefighters in LA, that’s an institutional failure. But if there’s a shortage in 2025, it’s not COVID policies at this point, it’s poor personnel management.

To the point on having the pay to bail out the rich people, you’re welcome to take that up with the incoming Republican government. Just like we shouldn’t have just paid out stimulus checks to everyone 4 years ago, we shouldn’t bail out the wealthy homeowners in California by providing them with federal funding. But no amount of Lesbian Fire Chiefs were going to change the fact that wildfires were going to exhaust that fund.
 
Carp said:
Folks, it's estimated that between 4-12 million acres burned annually in California before it was settled. I'm not sure why this is worth arguing about. Humans have done generally done an adequate job at managing it the last 50-100 years. But it's gonna burn regardless.
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You can't stop it 100% but human ingenuity can keep it down.

Those fires burned uncontrollably before settlement because there were no humans to control them.
 
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thethe said:
Moving goalposts - I get it though. Its hard to explain the idea that additional water makes no difference in fighting fires.
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Having not enough firefighters and water makes no difference. Don't you know that?

lol. This **** is comical.
 
mqt said:
1) I’m absolutely on board with evaluating the impact of California’s water policies on fire prevention. I don’t have cameras inside the water lines, so I’ll wait for the facts to come out on whether or not they ran themselves out of water or not.

2) Climate science isn’t wokeism, it’s science. If the actions taken thus far prove to have been ineffective at stopping forest fires, I support a change. But a bunch of communications majors grifting on Twitter and Donald Trump saying that California mismanaged its forests is not enough for me to take that at face value when wildfires are on the rise globally.

3) Agreed, although there’s some nuance here. If multi-million dollar homes are being left uninsured solely due to statutes not allowing insurance companies to charge a certain amount, at the very least they need to change the laws to allow for the wealthy to buy whatever expensive insurance they require. If multi-million dollar homes are being left uninsured because of statutes protecting insurance companies from making insurance unaffordable for poor people, there’s more to that story. I don’t really know, because I’ve not made it a priority to study up on insurance practices in SoCal.

4) Yeah, sure. I still think if we’re going to bother having the largest defense budget in the world that we could spend less on bombs and more on domestic disaster relief so that states and cities don’t have to worry about manpower, but if there’s a shortage of firefighters in LA, that’s an institutional failure. But if there’s a shortage in 2025, it’s not COVID policies at this point, it’s poor personnel management.

To the point on having the pay to bail out the rich people, you’re welcome to take that up with the incoming Republican government. Just like we shouldn’t have just paid out stimulus checks to everyone 4 years ago, we shouldn’t bail out the wealthy homeowners in California by providing them with federal funding. But no amount of Lesbian Fire Chiefs were going to change the fact that wildfires were going to exhaust that fund.
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So those are 4 major points where you loosely agree are policy failures, yet earlier you demand we stop talking about the failure of (DEI) policies

I am 100% confident that the damage would have not been close to as bad with Florida's government instead of California's. There is no doubt in my mind
 
thethe said:
Moving goalposts - I get it though. Its hard to explain the idea that additional water makes no difference in fighting fires.
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As I said, if you have unlimited water you could handle this. I never said anything about makinga difference. Again, it would have been more beneficial for them to level blocks of homes to make a fire break, that wasn't gonna happen either.
 
Garmel said:
Clearing the brush would be the obvious. Prevention is the key

Have more firefighters and working water.

The mayor was warned from the fire chief that cutting the budget could result in a disaster. Look what happened.
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I thought the fire chief was incompetent because they were lesbian? SO they're competent now?

Explain "clearing the brush" what constitutes "brush"? Where should they do it to.
 
Garmel said:
You can't stop it 100% but human ingenuity can keep it down.

Those fires burned uncontrollably before settlement because there were no human to control them.
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That's not the point. The point is that it's a very dry, arid region that is extremely prone to wild fires as part of it's natural climate. And this particular fire is getting fed a ton of wind coming in from the coast.
 
sturg33 said:
So those are 4 major points where you loosely agree are policy failures, yet earlier you demand we stop talking about the failure of (DEI) policies

I am 100% confident that the damage would have not been close to as bad with Florida's government instead of California's. There is no doubt in my mind
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Because shockingly there can be policy failures that are not due to diversity. I understand that goes against the mantra of the woke right, but sometimes mismanagement can occur for reasons that have nothing to do with the identity of the people making the decisions. None of that really changes the fact that the conditions leading to these fires spreading as they did were potentially entirely unavoidable and that climate scientists have been warning us of this for decades.
 
mqt said:
Because shockingly there can be policy failures that are not due to diversity. I understand that goes against the mantra of the woke right, but sometimes mismanagement can occur for reasons that have nothing to do with the identity of the people making the decisions. None of that really changes the fact that the conditions leading to these fires spreading as they did were potentially entirely unavoidable and that climate scientists have been warning us of this for decades.
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But these are reduced when the most qualified person is hired based on experience and qualifications and ability.

Not when who they bang or their skin color are the qualifications

This isnt really something that’s arguable
 
mqt said:
Because shockingly there can be policy failures that are not due to diversity. I understand that goes against the mantra of the woke right, but sometimes mismanagement can occur for reasons that have nothing to do with the identity of the people making the decisions. None of that really changes the fact that the conditions leading to these fires spreading as they did were potentially entirely unavoidable and that climate scientists have been warning us of this for decades.
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All of those 4 policies were centered around wokeness... some of diversity... some of it liberal utopia bull****. and as tapate pointed out, hiring a bunch of idiots because they are gay leads to incompetence across the board
 
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/08/wildfire-threatens-karen-bass-extended-honeymoon-00197228

Bass also took heat from far-left activists online, who accused the mayor of cutting the fire department’s budget in order to pay for a costly new contract with the city’s police. Also weighing in against her was Patrick Soon-Shiong, the politically idiosyncratic owner of the Los Angeles Times, who echoed the attack, posting on X that “the Mayor cut LA Fire Department’s budget by $23M.”

That assertion is wrong. The city was in the process of negotiating a new contract with the fire department at the time the budget was being crafted, so additional funding for the department was set aside in a separate fund until that deal was finalized in November. In fact, the city’s fire budget increased more than $50 million year-over-year compared to the last budget cycle, according to Blumenfield’s office, although overall concerns about the department’s staffing level have persisted for a number of years.

Bass’ critics have also seized upon reports that water tanks in the besieged Pacific Palisades neighborhood had not been full, causing fire hydrants to run dry and crippling first responders’ ability to stop the vast property damage.

The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power in a Wednesday press conference refuted those claims. The three tanks in the area had been filled to capacity with around 1 million gallons of water each, department officials said, but those supplies were tapped out by early Wednesday morning. High winds made it impossible for firefighters to use aerial means to combat the flames, putting inordinate pressure on the fire hydrant system.
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This seems pretty verifiable, though I found anybody on the right arguing against funding cuts to be a bad faith argument to begin with. And if the tanks were completely full, is that even avoidable? Presumably they weren’t going to magically have millions of gallons of water just ready to go to replace it, even with rainfall?
 
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sturg33 said:
mqt, should I take this seriously or are they just virtue signaling?

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This is indeed virtue signaling, a thing you are now doing for a different set of virtues. This kind of statement is always meant to virtue signal because that’s why those communications are written. Just like when you’re working in a corporation you’re not really there to live the company mission. This is meant to inspire its target audience, not provide operational insight.

I’m also failing to see why a man without the reading comprehension skills to see this wasn’t a ranked list should be so influential in public education.
 
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mqt said:
This is indeed virtue signaling, a thing you are now doing for a different set of virtues. I’m also failing to see why a man without the reading comprehension skills to see this wasn’t a ranked list should be so influential in public education.
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to what benefit do they get to virtue signal? is it to appease people like you?

listing things in order is indeed a manner of preference
 
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