Some Red State/Blue State Indicia

I know per capita GDP growth is a confusing topic for some. But rural per capita GDP growth has been significantly slower than the rest of the country, including those urban areas that are supposedly falling apart. But I hear the folks there are content in their toothless liberty.
 
nsacpi said:
I know per capita GDP growth is a confusing topic for some. But rural per capita GDP growth has been significantly slower than the rest of the country, including those urban areas that are supposedly falling apart. But I hear the folks there are content in their toothless liberty.
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A failure of the education system of blue states if their residents don't understand how good they have it.
 
nsacpi said:
I know per capita GDP growth is a confusing topic for some. But rural per capita GDP growth has been significantly slower than the rest of the country, including those urban areas that are supposedly falling apart. But I hear the folks there are content in their toothless liberty.
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BREAKING: People generate more money in large metropolitan areas where more higher paying jobs exist.

More at 11....
 
Of possibly even greater interest is the absolute decline in life expectancy from 2010 to 2019 in rural areas. While the rest of the country, including those failing urban areas, saw additional gains in life expectancy.
 
nsacpi said:
I know per capita GDP growth is a confusing topic for some. But rural per capita GDP growth has been significantly slower than the rest of the country, including those urban areas that are supposedly falling apart. But I hear the folks there are content in their toothless liberty.
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I mentioned this elsewhere, and I know you’re not left-leaning, but this right here will lose Dems every election until the end of the days if they don’t stop talking about GDP as it pertains to how well the economy is working for the American citizen. It can both be true that blue states are outperforming red states economically, and that the average blue state voter couldn’t give any less of a **** because it’s still getting harder to pay the rent.
 
chop2chip said:
A failure of the education system of blue states if their residents don't understand how good they have it.
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Not at all. It is a symbiotic relationship. Older less well-educated people move to red states. Young, more productive and well-educated people move to blue states. I see it as a win-win. People who have worked hard to make a living and accumulate their savings move somewhere where the cost of living is cheaper.
 
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mqt said:
I mentioned this elsewhere, and I know you’re not left-leaning, but this right here will lose Dems every election until the end of the days if they don’t stop talking about GDP as it pertains to how well the economy is working for the American citizen. It can both be true that blue states are outperforming red states economically, and that the average blue state voter couldn’t give any less of a **** because it’s still getting harder to pay the rent.
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Yes. Beliefs over reality. I'll go with that.

When people in Oklahoma are told the murder rate there is higher than NY City, they overwhelmingly choose not to believe it.

Belief systems are extremely important to people.

But facts can also be stubborn thangs. Rural life expectancy fell from 2010 to 2019. That's a fact. No one has to believe it. But it is a fact.
 
nsacpi said:
Yes. Beliefs over reality. I'll go with that.

When people in Oklahoma are told the murder rate there is higher than NY City, they overwhelmingly choose not to believe it.

Belief systems are extremely important to people.

But facts can also be stubborn thangs. Rural life expectancy fell from 2010 to 2019. That's a fact. No one has to believe it. But it is a fact.
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Yeah, this is more of a statement on political messaging, so beliefs are really the main driver here. But I’ve seen it over and over again, pointing to figures that suggest economic policies are working in a blue state or during an Administration, but you’re just never, ever going to win the rural voters back by telling them to shut up and be happy they don’t live in Oklahoma, and I don’t think the Dems have figured that out quite yet.
 
msstate7 said:
What I make in my rural area wouldn't be considered bad in a big city, but hardly great. Here though, I can live really well.
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I focus on growth rates. This allows comparisons that are not based on the level or starting point.

I further focus on per capita data. This allows comparisons across big and small areas.

Hence my being partial to using per capita growth as a useful metric to compare who has been doing relatively well in the past 10 years.

Per capita GDP growth has been pretty dismal in rural areas. And then as a cherry on top is the fact we saw an absolute decline in life expectancy in rural areas from 2010 to 2019. That's a pretty rare thang. It is like progress running in reverse.
 
mqt said:
Yeah, this is more of a statement on political messaging, so beliefs are really the main driver here. But I’ve seen it over and over again, pointing to figures that suggest economic policies are working in a blue state or during an Administration, but you’re just never, ever going to win the rural voters back by telling them to shut up and be happy they don’t live in Oklahoma, and I don’t think the Dems have figured that out quite yet.
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My posts are not intended to win any election campaigns. But I appreciate your point.
 
mqt said:
Yeah, this is more of a statement on political messaging, so beliefs are really the main driver here. But I’ve seen it over and over again, pointing to figures that suggest economic policies are working in a blue state or during an Administration, but you’re just never, ever going to win the rural voters back by telling them to shut up and be happy they don’t live in Oklahoma, and I don’t think the Dems have figured that out quite yet.
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you have to understand that nsacpi also believed every Joe Biden job report that got revised lower later. He is very susceptible to deza
 
The age-adjusted death rate in rural areas was 7% higher than in urban areas in 1999. By 2019, this disparity had widened, with rural areas experiencing a 20% higher death rate compared to urban areas.
 
msstate7 said:
What I make in my rural area wouldn't be considered bad in a big city, but hardly great. Here though, I can live really well.
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I had to pay a sales rep in SF $240K. Same exact job filled in Richmond, VA... paid $150K. That's an extra $90K to go around in that economy, specifically taxed to build more public toilets and trains that don't operate
 
nsacpi said:
Yes. Beliefs over reality. I'll go with that.

When people in Oklahoma are told the murder rate there is higher than NY City, they overwhelmingly choose not to believe it.

Belief systems are extremely important to people.

But facts can also be stubborn thangs. Rural life expectancy fell from 2010 to 2019. That's a fact. No one has to believe it. But it is a fact.
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Are there people arguing that blue staters are flocking to OK? If so I've missed it.

But this could be a BL classic redirect because I believe you are the only one that thinks so.
 
nsacpi said:
I focus on growth rates. This allows comparisons that are not based on the level or starting point.

I further focus on per capita data. This allows comparisons across big and small areas.

Hence my being partial to using per capita growth as a useful metric to compare who has been doing relatively well in the past 10 years.

Per capita GDP growth has been pretty dismal in rural areas. And then as a cherry on top is the fact we saw an absolute decline in life expectancy in rural areas from 2010 to 2019. That's a pretty rare thang. It is like progress running in reverse.
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Has anyone in the last 40 years looked these numbers to determine where to live?

I doubt it.
 
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