Some Red State/Blue State Indicia

Lol. Imagine being the juggernaut and being so awful you LOSE federal authority.

Send out your trash but cant earn anyone.

Unplug those toasters professors. Sorry about your house. Watch out for the human shit on the street.
 
sturg33 said:
Yeah thats true. They came up around $70B short last year despite those amazing per capita gdp numbers.

Now they gotta cut services like firefighting

Meanwhile their homeless population continues to explode along with their residents fleeing

A truly dominant force! Don't forget to unplug your toaster and too bad for you people who lost your home in a fire a year ago.
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nsacpi said:
Are they? Like other states they have to balance their budgets.
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California is not currently asking for a direct federal bailout but is facing a significant budget deficit and is in a position where it may seek federal funding
. The state is already heavily reliant on federal funds, which make up over one-third of its total budget, and recent federal policies, including potential cuts to grants and assistance programs, are creating further pressure. California officials are preparing to use state reserves to cover some of the shortfall, while also emphasizing that a balanced budget will likely require a combination of solutions.

Current situation
  • Budget deficit: California's budget faces a significant and potentially growing deficit, partly due to a structural imbalance where spending has outpaced revenue growth.
  • Reliance on federal funds: The state's budget for 2025-26 includes nearly $175 billion in federal funds, representing over one-third of its total budget, underscoring its reliance on federal money for services like Medi-Cal and CalFresh.
  • Federal policy uncertainty: There is concern about potential federal funding cuts and their impact on state programs, especially for disaster relief and social services.

State's response
  • Using reserves: The state is tapping into reserves to create a balanced budget, but the situation remains challenging.
  • Long-term solutions: California leaders acknowledge that they will need to find a sustainable solution beyond relying on reserves to address the structural deficit in the long term.
  • Exploring revenue options: The state is also exploring options to increase revenues, such as tax policies or a potential increase in the Medi-Cal provider tax.

What this means for federal money
  • No direct bailout: California is not currently asking for a direct federal bailout, and past requests have been denied.
  • Potential for more federal assistance:However, the state may seek more federal funding through specific grant programs or other forms of assistance, especially as it faces ongoing challenges.
 
So they have balanced their budget without federal funds. In spite of tranferring enormous amounts of money to red states each year.
 
how much does California transfer each year to other states through the federal government

ChatGPT said:​

California consistently contributes more in federal taxes than it receives in federal spending, making it one of the largest net contributors among U.S. states.

California’s Federal Tax Contributions vs. Federal Spending​

  • Federal Fiscal Year 2022: California residents and businesses paid approximately $692 billion in federal taxes. In contrast, the state received about $609 billion in federal funds, resulting in a net contribution of around $83 billion. Governor of California
  • Federal Fiscal Year 2023: According to the Rockefeller Institute of Government, California's net contribution was approximately $78 billion. This figure includes federal COVID-19 relief spending, which temporarily increased federal expenditures in the state. USAFacts

Factors Influencing California’s Net Contribution​

Several factors contribute to California's status as a net donor state:

  • High Income Levels: California's residents and businesses have higher income levels, leading to greater federal tax contributions.
  • Lower Federal Spending: States with higher poverty rates, a large population of older adults, major federal facilities, or a substantial federal employee presence tend to receive more federal funds per capita. California's demographics and economic profile result in relatively lower federal spending per capita. California Budget & Policy Center

Recent Developments​

In 2025, the Trump administration announced a controversial reallocation of $1 billion in Homeland Security Grant Program funds, shifting resources from predominantly Democratic-led states, including California, to Republican-led ones. California alone was set to lose $55 million, despite hosting major global events like the Super Bowl, FIFA World Cup, and the 2028 Olympics. A federal judge has temporarily blocked the funding changes, pending litigation. Reuters

In summary, California consistently transfers more federal tax revenue to the federal government than it receives in federal spending, making it a significant net contributor among U.S. states.
 
no thank your notes or flowers necessary

for the fiscal transfers or the technological spillovers...y'all need all the help you can get and Californians (and New Yorkers and others from blue states) are happy to help fellow Americans in need
 
nsacpi said:
no thank your notes or flowers necessary

for the fiscal transfers or the technological spillovers...y'all need all the help you can get and Californians (and New Yorkers and others from blue states) are happy to help fellow Americans in need
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when are they gonna build that train, or build those houses?

are their engineers just retarded?
 
I didn't say California was perfect. Just introducing into the discussion an appreciation of it's strengths. Per capita GDP growth of 42% in the past decade versus 22% for Florida. That's lapping the competition!!

Even while conquering the world with AI, the state already has a plan for dominating in quantum computing. Something not even on the agenda for other states. A plan that brings together universities, the public sector and the private sector. Getting to and staying on the leading edge doesn't happen by magic. Just like being stuck in technological backwater status is not ordained for red states. There are other states that have a blueprint for escaping that status. Colorado for example has been able to move out of the backwardness that characterizes red states. If you don't like California, maybe take a look at what Colorado is doing.
 
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nsacpi said:
I didn't say California was perfect. Just introducing into the discussion an appreciation of it's strengths. Per capita GDP growth of 42% in the past decade versus 22% for Florida. That's lapping the competition!!
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A 2k square foot house in California costs $1M whereas in FL the same house costs $400k.

What does that do for GDP?

But I have a legit question? Why cant California build a house or a train that they have invested billions into? Are their engineers just retarded?
 
The other thing is Florida (and red states generally) wouldn't even be able to hit that 22% growth without technological spillovers from places like Boston, Seattle, San Jose and San Francisco. The spillovers and financial transfers are overwhelmingly one-sided.
 
sturg33 said:
But why cant they build the train or houses? Are their engineers retarded?

Florida rebuilt a collapsed bridge in 3 days
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Good for Florida. California would do well to study Florida's permitting process and learn from it.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, per capita GDP grew by 42% in California in the past decade (not the golden past when Republican governors ran thangs). Maybe Florida and other red states should consider what has allowed California and other blue states to succeed so wildly in generating world beating companies and technologies. Including those mRNA vaccines!! While they are at it maybe they can learn why basic health outcomes like life expectancy have diverged by so much in recent decades.
 
nsacpi said:
Good for Florida. California would do well to study Florida's permitting process and learn from it.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, per capita GDP grew by 42% in California in the past decade (not the golden past when Republican governors ran thangs). Maybe Florida and other red states should consider what has allowed California and other blue states to succeed so wildly in generating world beating companies and technologies. Including those mRNA vaccines!! While they are at it maybe they can learn why basic health outcomes like life expectancy have diverged by so much in recent decades.
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Im glad their houses cost 2x which means double the GDP. Thats amazing!

Too bad for residents whose houses burn down they are homeless forever
 
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