Some Red State/Blue State Indicia

cajunrevenge said:
That's how I feel for people who are overly pro police who then claim misconduct by police. It wasn't a problem till it affects you or someone you like.
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Explains your deep feelings on J6. Shocking how much the Blue Lives Matter bootlickers suddenly didn’t give a flying **** about law and order, but did feel very strongly about the lack of fairness in the criminal justice system.
 
NY and Texas on requiring the measles vaccine. A contrast between "liberty" and "life." Interesting to see the WSJ editorial board opining in favor of life.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/measles...s-immunization-ad7f9df3?mod=opinion_lead_pos2

The measles outbreak that began in Texas is now up to 228 cases in two states, 23 hospitalizations, and one dead child, and still health secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is hedging on the obvious, which is to get vaccinated.

“Good nutrition remains a best defense against most chronic and infectious illnesses,” RFK Jr. wrote in an op-ed, though parents should “understand their options to get the MMR vaccine,” for measles, mumps and rubella. Then in an interview, he promoted treatment of steroids and cod-liver oil as producing “almost miraculous and instantaneous recovery.”

The MMR vaccine is safe and effective, which is why measles no longer strikes hundreds of thousands of Americans each year. It’s a triumph that most people these days don’t remember measles as a scourge, but the danger is complacency. The Texas outbreak is mainly in Gaines County, where 17.6% of kindergartners in schools have a “conscientious exemption” to at least one vaccine.

A policy question for states is whether letting schoolchildren skip immunization on such broad grounds is unduly increasing public risk. Texas lets families opt out of vaccines for “reasons of conscience.” That language was passed in 2003, according to the Texas Tribune. Three years earlier, the measles virus had been declared eliminated from the U.S.

Now measles is erupting again, and some states are tightening school immunization laws. Last week the Second Circuit Court of Appeals upheld New York’s decision, amid outbreaks in 2019 that sickened 934, to end an exemption for “religious beliefs.” Today homeschoolers can decline vaccination, but children in group settings—public, private and parochial—must be immunized unless they’re medically ineligible.

Amish families and schools sued. But the Second Circuit upheld the state’s vaccine law, saying it’s a neutral, nondiscriminatory, and rational legislative response. “In six schools in Rockland County—the hotspot of the measles outbreak—up to 20% of students had religious exemptions,” the court said. The plaintiffs plan to appeal, according to their lawyer, and maybe this will go to the Supreme Court.

Even if other states want to keep letting parents opt out for bona fide religious beliefs, they could pare back more vague exemptions. Washington state did that in 2019, passing a law saying schoolkids can’t skip the MMR merely based on “a philosophical or personal objection.”

By the way, when lawmakers considered the bill, guess who showed up? RFK Jr., who brought up Nuremberg and the Geneva Convention, while saying he knows “the cure for most infectious measles, which is vitamin A.”

The reality is that there’s no substitute for vaccination, which stops the virus from spreading and protects newborns who haven’t yet been immunized. If hospitalized children in Texas don’t sufficiently prove it, we may have to relearn old lessons a much harder way.
 
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OKLAHOMA — The Oklahoma State Department of Health (OSDH) reported the first cases of measles in the state on Tuesday.

OSDH reported two measles cases in Oklahoma, but said there is no public health threat associated.

OSDH said it has been on high-alert and monitoring the situation in Oklahoma with the ongoing measles outbreak in Texas and New Mexico.

The cases are being reported to the CDC as probable cases based on the facts that the individuals reported exposure associated with the Texas and New Mexico outbreak and reported symptoms consistent with measles.

OSDH said the individuals took proper precautions by immediately excluding themselves from public settings and preventing the risk of transmitting measles to the public.

https://www.fox23.com/news/2-measle...cle_32bd755a-fe9b-11ef-8dec-0796f08942bc.html

It should be noted that Oklahoma provides exemptions from the measles vaccine for those with personal or religious objections. The balancing of individual liberty with public health is a thorny issue which different states will sort out in different ways.
 
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The funny part is that libs think unvaccinated illegals aren't contributing to this outbreak.

Bless y'all's hearts.
 
Garmel said:
The funny part is that libs think unvaccinated illegals aren't contributing to this outbreak.

Bless y'all's hearts.
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Does vaccination rate matter or not? You can’t use this to dunk on immigrants only to turn around and dismiss obvious trends between vaccination rates and outbreaks. I’m also not opposed to investigating if this is a causing factor because policy could be crafted to address this from either side of the aisle. But I would need to see some actual evidence before we just declare some bum**** county in Texas is swarming in migrants carrying Measles with them when there are actual identifiable vaccination rates that would alone explain why the community might be susceptible to an outbreak. Occam’s Razor and all.
 
For the record, I am generally pretty pro-liberty when it comes to vaccines. I think some reasonable restrictions can be warranted in specific medically-necessary situations like nursing homes or other high-risk populations, but that we should err on the side of caution when it comes to mandates of any sort. All that said, I think the push to demonize standard vaccinations because of the specific policies surrounding COVID is reckless. We’ve basically all been vaccinated for several generations now and we’re all ****ing fine and don’t have those diseases because medicine made them go the **** away. By all means, investigate every single adverse reaction or link to any long-term issue. But like there’s nothing out there and they’ve been trying forever. I don’t begrudge the skepticism, but skepticism and aggressive denial of the data are two different things.
 
I expect another bunch of skh is falling stories to come about the next four years. The kinds of stories that would have gotten no press the four years prior.
 
thethe said:
I expect another bunch of skh is falling stories to come about the next four years. The kinds of stories that would have gotten no press the four years prior.
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For what it’s worth, I completely agree. Measles aren’t on the rise because of Trump and RFK, and I’m not even really suggesting they’re on the rise. They might be, but I haven’t really looked and it’d all be Biden’s HHS Department to point at. We should be much more reasonable about the scope and scale of things. Overall immunization is high, and as long as they don’t start suppressing data on outbreaks or diverting attention away from prevention and toward trying to prove vaccines cause autism or some ****, it’s not likely we’re on the brink of an old-timey pandemic. But like just get your ****ing kids vaccinated. Even if I support your right not to, it’s safe like 99.9999% of the time and has practically eliminated the risk of diseases that used to wipe out the planet.
 
nsacpi said:
NY and Texas on requiring the measles vaccine. A contrast between "liberty" and "life." Interesting to see the WSJ editorial board opining in favor of life.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/measles...s-immunization-ad7f9df3?mod=opinion_lead_pos2

The measles outbreak that began in Texas is now up to 228 cases in two states, 23 hospitalizations, and one dead child, and still health secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is hedging on the obvious, which is to get vaccinated.

“Good nutrition remains a best defense against most chronic and infectious illnesses,” RFK Jr. wrote in an op-ed, though parents should “understand their options to get the MMR vaccine,” for measles, mumps and rubella. Then in an interview, he promoted treatment of steroids and cod-liver oil as producing “almost miraculous and instantaneous recovery.”

The MMR vaccine is safe and effective, which is why measles no longer strikes hundreds of thousands of Americans each year. It’s a triumph that most people these days don’t remember measles as a scourge, but the danger is complacency. The Texas outbreak is mainly in Gaines County, where 17.6% of kindergartners in schools have a “conscientious exemption” to at least one vaccine.

A policy question for states is whether letting schoolchildren skip immunization on such broad grounds is unduly increasing public risk. Texas lets families opt out of vaccines for “reasons of conscience.” That language was passed in 2003, according to the Texas Tribune. Three years earlier, the measles virus had been declared eliminated from the U.S.

Now measles is erupting again, and some states are tightening school immunization laws. Last week the Second Circuit Court of Appeals upheld New York’s decision, amid outbreaks in 2019 that sickened 934, to end an exemption for “religious beliefs.” Today homeschoolers can decline vaccination, but children in group settings—public, private and parochial—must be immunized unless they’re medically ineligible.

Amish families and schools sued. But the Second Circuit upheld the state’s vaccine law, saying it’s a neutral, nondiscriminatory, and rational legislative response. “In six schools in Rockland County—the hotspot of the measles outbreak—up to 20% of students had religious exemptions,” the court said. The plaintiffs plan to appeal, according to their lawyer, and maybe this will go to the Supreme Court.

Even if other states want to keep letting parents opt out for bona fide religious beliefs, they could pare back more vague exemptions. Washington state did that in 2019, passing a law saying schoolkids can’t skip the MMR merely based on “a philosophical or personal objection.”

By the way, when lawmakers considered the bill, guess who showed up? RFK Jr., who brought up Nuremberg and the Geneva Convention, while saying he knows “the cure for most infectious measles, which is vitamin A.”

The reality is that there’s no substitute for vaccination, which stops the virus from spreading and protects newborns who haven’t yet been immunized. If hospitalized children in Texas don’t sufficiently prove it, we may have to relearn old lessons a much harder way.
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aound here school require all sorts of immunizations... unless its ILLEGAL immigrant kids... they can just go right in
 
California needs ANOTHER loan to bail out the budget for medical care for migrants, the second shortfall in two years

38% of Californians get their medical care from their state program

Also making matters worse are the energy, property, and tax costs by living in the state
 
sturg33 said:
Mqt: "i don't see what the point of prison would be... it's not like it would uncrush the victims skull"
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Yes, Schizophrenia is a serious disorder and I hope he gets the treatment he needs. He shouldn’t be released back to the streets, but he should be treated for his illness instead of just locked away.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/25/business/florida-child-labor-laws/index.html

"The state’s legislature on Tuesday is set to debate a bill that would loosen child labor laws, allowing children as young as 14 years old to work overnight shifts. If the new law is passed, teenagers would be able to work overnight jobs on school days. They are currently prevented from working earlier than 6:30 am or later than 11 pm per state law."

Generally speaking I'm all for loosening Child Labor Laws mainly because I think they can be problematic for kids that want to get away from their parents and don't see a future in school. But I feel like removing all bumpers is also an issue because you're potentially ruining the learning opportunity of kids who have ****ty parents.
 
zitothebrave said:
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/25/business/florida-child-labor-laws/index.html

"The state’s legislature on Tuesday is set to debate a bill that would loosen child labor laws, allowing children as young as 14 years old to work overnight shifts. If the new law is passed, teenagers would be able to work overnight jobs on school days. They are currently prevented from working earlier than 6:30 am or later than 11 pm per state law."

Generally speaking I'm all for loosening Child Labor Laws mainly because I think they can be problematic for kids that want to get away from their parents and don't see a future in school. But I feel like removing all bumpers is also an issue because you're potentially ruining the learning opportunity of kids who have ****ty parents.
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We need to greatly loosen child labor laws because we got rid of all the illegals is not a super promising indicator of the effect this is going to have on the labor market.
 
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