Some Red State/Blue State Indicia
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It’s a pointless exercise. For one thing, Newsom and DeSantis are ultimately reflections of their electorate. So either you have a fundamentally different California and Florida or you disrupt everything. As a leftist who doesn’t particularly care which parts of our country are most liberal, it doesn’t matter much to me.
I could walk into any state in the union and find these exact labor violations on farms. I hope the employers face dramatic, company-ending penalties for violating child labor laws. The product being made is irrelevant to me, and I don’t actually expect California to be particularly permissive of child labor violations once exposed.
Probably better? He certainly has the edge in productivity, and I think California in particular could learn a hell of a lot about how to turn intent into reality. But again, my objection is that Ron DeSantis could not effectively govern to the will of California’s citizens, so I find it moot. If Californians are reasonably happy with their way of life, I see no more reason to disrupt it than I do to try and get a progressive elected to lead Mississippi.
nsacpi
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America is a great country. It would be much greater if the rest of it could match Seattle and New York and the Bay Area and Los Angeles in economic dynamism, entrepreneurial chops and productivity. But that's a very big ask. Maybe in 50 years. I think I'm being optimistic.
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Why do you think so many are fleeing these amazing places?
nsacpi
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The data show the migration out is of older less well-educated people. They gain in young, well-educated, talented, driven people. Marxists.
There is a kind of self-sorting. Maga leaves. Marxists move in.
The average age in California is about a year below the average age in the country. And migration trends contribute to this.
2021 is the only year this century where California had a net loss of young college graduates. It gained such people before covid. And has been gaining them again since 2021.
The gains in these kinds of highly desirable young workers augment an already large supply of them churned out by California's own higher education system. The marvelous Cal system plus some pretty good private universities.
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sturg33
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The older, less educated Cohort is who is responsible for Seattle's $47M payroll tax shortfall?
nsacpi
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Seattle is almost as much of an economic marvel as New York and the Bay Area. Let me know when a city in a red state approaches its level of economic dynamism.
People move to places like Seattle and the Bay Area when young and full of piss and vinegar. Many of them get rich. And some of them decide to move somewhere else with low taxes. They don't move there for the opportunity. They moved there because in a sense they've already made it.
nsacpi
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Doesn't mean those places are perfect. I was glad to see Obama mention NIMBYism as a problem. Many of these areas have bad housing policies and self-inflicted housing crises. There are some hopeful signs they have recognized the need to correct course from the excesses of NIMBYism.
sturg33
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Your response to real world data showing a direct response to a retarded socialist policy was jobs fleeing the state was to deflect claiming it's old MAGA people and Seattle is great
Do you have the capacity to analyze a single point without deflecting to your activism?
Skip college, kiddos. These are the morons your kids are going into debt to learn from
nsacpi
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One more tidbit. Almost half of immigrants living in California have college degrees, often in highly desirable technical and scientific fields. That's a higher proportion than native-born Californians.
A big part of California's secret sauce is education:
1) It churns out huge numbers of highly educated students
2) It augments those by consistently being a net gainer in young well-educated people
3) It further augments that by attracting a large number of well-educated immigrants.
This explains both its Marxist politics and its high levels of productivity and income.
Meanwhile, a state like Oklahoma has a governor who has been bragging on social media about leading the country in "educational freedom."
A big part of California's secret sauce is education:
1) It churns out huge numbers of highly educated students
2) It augments those by consistently being a net gainer in young well-educated people
3) It further augments that by attracting a large number of well-educated immigrants.
This explains both its Marxist politics and its high levels of productivity and income.
Meanwhile, a state like Oklahoma has a governor who has been bragging on social media about leading the country in "educational freedom."
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