Some Red State/Blue State Indicia
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Hard not to wonder if the people who are presently very concerned with how well-funded shadowy organizations are shaping American education and public sentiment have any questions on a state superintendent leaving his position to lobby for a special interest group focused on education.
Tapate50
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They still don't get it.
The people that run those charitable organizations are paid very very well to run them. If they literally solve the crisis they don't have a job.
Ol Gavy took 10 years and 34 BILLION to make California the homeless capital of the world when his campaign promise was literally to end homelessness.
I think we all know Gav is a full blown failure.
The people that run those charitable organizations are paid very very well to run them. If they literally solve the crisis they don't have a job.
Ol Gavy took 10 years and 34 BILLION to make California the homeless capital of the world when his campaign promise was literally to end homelessness.
I think we all know Gav is a full blown failure.
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I do wholeheartedly agree that the specific ways in which we handle these programs are insane and the cost of them is unjustifiably expensive for the outcomes it produces. While I don’t believe the answer is to instead jail them forever, there needs to be a complete and unending audit of how that money is being spent and what they could do instead. I am well aware we will diverge very quickly on the instead part, but I do absolutely agree that there is something insanely incompetent going on here in a way that necessitates change.
States like California are the reason it sucks that neither party seems to want to be reasonable about shit anymore. A halfway competent GOP in California would be a huge benefit to hold Dems accountable for their awful fucking execution on so many levels. Instead we get MAGA weirdos that stand no chance and the Dems learn no lessons from their failures.
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Yeah, probably a lot of it. There’s also of course the overly cumbersome regulation that grinds project to a halt. They are consistently among the worst at remembering that the entire rest of the world exists and that they still have to exist within it.
acesfull86
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The issue doesn’t seem to be whether the program works, whether the benefits justify the costs, etc.…hell, have those questions even been raised? No, the issue from Mamdani’s perspective is that based on skin color, too many of the “wrong” children are getting into the programs. That’s really it.
Given he explicitly and proudly announced on his campaign website that he intended to shift the tax burden to “whiter” neighborhoods, this tracks.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Not to introduce some facts into this discussion, but from my reading of the NY Times article the question their survey raises is when to start offering the gifted classification (and to a certain extent how).
New York City public schools currently start stratifying at the kindergarden level. There is an additional assessment at the third grade level. And yet another one for entrance to elite high schools. I think kindergarden is too early to designate one group as gifted and another group as less so. My vague memory is the school system I was in started doing this in middle school. A good school system (and good teachers) will also have informal ways of encouraging and challenging students with different levels of "giftedness," which in many cases are more meaningful than the formal gifted designation.
Which is not to say that the "levelling" instincts of people like Mamdani and de Blasio are not to be criticized and resisted.
As an aside, it bears noting that the gifted designation puts students on a track for college. Which according to some around here is a sort of curse. So I don't see why those folks are not linking arms with Mamdani in sparing those students from that curse. Put everyone on the trade school track and society will have been spared much grief.
Irony though art a strange and wondrous mistress.
the gifted track is a trap (any would be rappers out there feel free to use that line)
New York City public schools currently start stratifying at the kindergarden level. There is an additional assessment at the third grade level. And yet another one for entrance to elite high schools. I think kindergarden is too early to designate one group as gifted and another group as less so. My vague memory is the school system I was in started doing this in middle school. A good school system (and good teachers) will also have informal ways of encouraging and challenging students with different levels of "giftedness," which in many cases are more meaningful than the formal gifted designation.
Which is not to say that the "levelling" instincts of people like Mamdani and de Blasio are not to be criticized and resisted.
As an aside, it bears noting that the gifted designation puts students on a track for college. Which according to some around here is a sort of curse. So I don't see why those folks are not linking arms with Mamdani in sparing those students from that curse. Put everyone on the trade school track and society will have been spared much grief.
Irony though art a strange and wondrous mistress.
the gifted track is a trap (any would be rappers out there feel free to use that line)
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Disaster - gifted and talented programs should be strengthened so the able can be removed from the less evolved population
sturg33
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I understand being a leftist requires you to defend the retarded
The reason I despise academics so much is in a sane world, they would be in unison standing up to leftist politicians who do this. Instead, they defend