Some Red State/Blue State Indicia

Please give me your comparables so we can evaluate.

Acting as if anything other than Californias natural beauty & bountiful natural resources is what made Cali the powerhouse that it is today is a funny position to take.
Board leader can tell you about Savannah, Charleston, etc. And that's just his neck of the woods. Places endowed with beauty as well as natural harbors that can be transformed into large commercial ports. There are reasons that they (and many other places) did not become a world beating technological wonders. And those reasons have nothing to do with beauty and other natural characteristics.
 
Why can’t she control the “cheaper” part?
Oh I'm not saying she can't do anything about it. Local governments in blue states tend to be overly restrictive with permitting and zoning laws. They can certainly change those laws to increase the supply of housing and lower living costs. And they should. Remember I'm a big fan of YIMBY. My point about retired people leaving is it is unlikely that she can lower costs enough to get more than a few to stay. Old people don't want to be slipping on icy sidewalks in mid-January. So most of them are going to retire elsewhere.

My point is that 7 years of extra life is a lot. And maybe make it worth relaxing that Leave Me Alone default setting. It's a nice bumper sticker but contributes to results that should make those who subscribe to it reconsider.
 
Board leader can tell you about Savannah, Charleston, etc. And that's just his neck of the woods. Places endowed with beauty as well as natural harbors that can be transformed into large commercial ports. There are reasons that they (and many other places) did not become a world beating technological wonders. And those reasons have nothing to do with beauty and other natural characteristics.

Oh you mean ports with access to Asia wasn't a big driver?

How about the migration to find gold in the 19th century?

Its constantly amusing how you think California is what it is for any reason other than its natural resources/ports.
 
Oh you mean ports with access to Asia wasn't a big driver?

How about the migration to find gold in the 19th century?

Its constantly amusing how you think California is what it is for any reason other than its natural resources/ports.
Trade with China was an asterisk as recently as 1980. By then the supremacy of Silicon Valley was already established. I don't think trade with China has much to do with the area's technological supremacy. It has mainly to do with a superb secondary educational system and a culture of risk-taking and entrepreneurship that is unmatched.
 
Trade with China was an asterisk as recently as 1980. By then the supremacy of Silicon Valley was already established. I don't think trade with China has much to do with the area's technological supremacy. It has mainly to do with a superb secondary educational system and a culture of risk-taking and entrepreneurship that is unmatched.

Ah - SK and Japan didn't exist......

It also has to do with a wealthy base that established themselves from the gold rush as well. Just like NYC got the benefit of being the center of the western world for 200+ years.
 
which political policies were in place back then?
Even when run by Republicans California has always been in the progressive vanguard on matters such as the environment, secondary education, consumer protection. Republicans served as a useful check on Democratic excesses but did not reverse course on the basic progressive thrust of California politics. Ditto for other blue states such as Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey. They have all had talented Republican governors that made great contributions. They were more conservative than their Democratic counterparts. But they did not reverse the basic thrust of policy in their states, which made aggressive use of the tools of government to advance the public good. It is a very different concept of government than exists in most red states.
 
Even when run by Republicans California has always been in the progressive vanguard on matters such as the environment, secondary education, consumer protection. Republicans served as a useful check on Democratic excesses but did not reverse course on the basic progressive thrust of California politics. Ditto for other blue states such as Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey. They have all had talented Republican governors that made great contributions. They were more conservative than their Democratic counterparts. But they did not reverse the basic thrust of policy in their states, which made aggressive use of the tools of government to advance the public good. It is a very different concept of government than exists in most red states.
ahh, so republicans oversaw the establishment the titanic Silicon Valley, and Democrats oversaw the reduction in congressional seats.
 
ahh, so republicans oversaw the establishment the titanic Silicon Valley, and Democrats oversaw the reduction in congressional seats.
At least in northern California folks are not eager for population growth. So NIMBY (as misguided as I think it is) reflects the popular will.
 
ahh, so republicans oversaw the establishment the titanic Silicon Valley, and Democrats oversaw the reduction in congressional seats.
This is an interesting take from a putative libertarian on the role of government in establishing a world beating industry. And you're generally correct. Activist government as opposed to laissez-faire was very important to its rise. Silicon Valley is a publicly-subsidized and nurtured ecosystem. It relied heavily on defense spending during its early period. Then the ARPANET project (a government project) helped create the internet. The Cal university system and Stanford were indispensable parts of this ecosystem. As was an immigration system that provided a steady flow of often spectacular talent.

California has had Republican and Democratic governors. They have never governed on a Leave Me Alone ethos. The places that come closest to governing by that philosophy are the poorest most backward parts of this country. The causal inference is complicated but I suspect it runs in both directions. From the Leave Me Alone ethos to poverty. And the other way also. With a dysfunctional culture mediating in powerful ways. Those parts of the country are third world. And would be even poorer and more backward but for transfers (both financial and technological) from the rest of the country.
 
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This is an interesting take from a putative libertarian on the role of government in establishing a world beating industry. And you're generally correct. Activist government as opposed to laissez-faire was very important to its rise. Silicon Valley is a publicly-subsidized and nurtured ecosystem. It relied heavily on defense spending during its early period. Then the ARPANET project (a government project) helped create the internet. The Cal university system and Stanford were indispensable parts of this ecosystem. As was an immigration system that provided a steady flow of often spectacular talent.

California has had Republican and Democratic governors. They have never governed on a Leave Me Alone ethos. The places that come closest to governing by that philosophy are the poorest most backward parts of this country. The causal inference is complicated but I suspect it runs in both directions. From the Leave Me Alone ethos to poverty. And the other way also. With a dysfunctional culture mediating in powerful ways. Those parts of the country are third world. And would be even poorer and more backward but for transfers (both financial and technological) from the rest of the country.
If my choices are to choose from one governing strategy that helped establish silicon valley, and a different one that is currently destroying it, I'll choose the former
 
**The population of Silicon Valley has slightly decreased over the last 10 years (2015–2025).**

Silicon Valley typically refers to Santa Clara and San Mateo Counties in California (sometimes including parts of nearby areas, but core data focuses here). According to the Silicon Valley Index and U.S. Census data:

- In 2015, the combined population was about 3,000,000 (reaching this milestone that year).
- By 2023, it had fallen to roughly 2,993,000, a decline of 0.2% from 2013 levels (adjusted for the decade).
- Projections for 2025 estimate around 2,983,000–2,990,000, continuing the slight downward trend due to net domestic out-migration outweighing international immigration and natural growth.

Key drivers include high housing costs pushing out residents, declining birth rates (down 34% since 1992, with a 2% drop in 2024), and an aging population (65+ up 28% since 2013, while under-18 fell 14%). The overall change is small—under 1% net decrease—but marks a shift from earlier growth.
 
btw NY City population population is also in decline

of course so is pretty much every little ruby red county's but hey they get to be Left Alone
 
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