It's a disgusting tactic that is being employed by the left now. It's meant to draw attention away from the issues which they are losing on. Not just in the US but around the western world.
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It's a disgusting tactic that is being employed by the left now. It's meant to draw attention away from the issues which they are losing on. Not just in the US but around the western world.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
1) No problem: "These things need to happen now, and I don't think it would be especially prudent to wait for the usual machinations of government to bear out [if they were going to bear them out anytime soon at all."
2) One man's nit-picking is another man's attention to detail.
3) I wouldn't phrase it as such. But I do think economic inequality is the primary hurdle in overcoming what's left of racial inequality—though, to re-emphasize, primary by no means implies only.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
The problem with this strategy is that it cuts both ways. Then you end up condemning everyone that goes partying in the street after Chicago wins a championship, moshing with Antifa, starting urban campfires with BLM, or out for a walk with a guy like Farrakhan. You could even expand it to people who sit in the pews at Jeremiah Wright's church, or become proteges to Weather Underground terrorists.
Or you can say that not all those who occasionally find common cause with bad people, are necessarily bad people, and that politics make for strange bedfellows.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
You're making a moral equivalency between BLM, black liberation theology, etc, and the ovens-and-gas-chambers-crowd.
You're saying it's ok to find common cause with those folks, instead of shunning them. I dare you to spend 20 minutes on Mike Enoch's website and repeat that statement. And you're further comparing Barack Obama's ridiculously overblown radical connections to Richard Spencer and the Daily Stormer.
Protecting a damned statue is worth that to you?
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I understand your pro-1st Amendment position. What I'm asking is that by making common cause with the Spencers, Anglins, Peinovichs of the world--and marching alongside them--people are elevating and legitimizing them.
At this point it doesn't really matter what I say. What I hear from some (read unironically) fine people is this:
Hawk: Your brain is clearly not broad and expansive enough to parse the minute differences between various flavors of white nationalists, and the blameless non-racist folks who chose to stand alongside them, also some profound meditation about how many neo-fascists can dance on the head of a pin, but also not be advocating fascism
sturg: all the left can do is call people racist, plus free speech, plus commies
thehthe: what sturg says, but disingenuously, and with globalists and Muslims
Jaw: making common cause with gross fashy white nationalists is cool IF it's in defense of the honor of the Confederacy
So, yeah. I give up. We can move on.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Um, I largely agree with segments of the alt-right--and you--about the cost of American overseas adventurism. But I'm not going to attend and subsequently defend, a rally that THEY organized on the issue.
Thanks for assuming where my mindset is (disengenuous). How very liberal of you
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Well, I say that because, as sturg is fond of reminding us, he is consistent with his constitutional reverence. You mimic a lot of the same talking points, but you seem a little fuzzy on issues of speech and free exercise of religion.
When the th danger of our civilization calls for it my principles are maleable. Sorry that I hold your life and mine in such high esteem.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
This is the point I was trying to make though. I follow the news more closely than most and I didn't know who was organizing this thing until the day of the event. I just knew there was a protest about the removal of a statue. I said on here shortly after that I would have left once I saw the swastikas and Nazi salutes, but I can understand people going and not knowing what they are getting into.
Just like I can understand kids going out in the street to celebrate a championship not knowing it would turn into looting and arson.
I can understand people going out to protest police shootings, not knowing it would turn into looting and arson and beatings.
I can understand going to a church that others you associate with are attending, not knowing the pastor is crazy (and I can even understand feeling pressured to stay there.)
And that's the point. Every example I gave had illegal behavior or hate speech or something of the ilk (except the Ayers connection, that was somewhat out of place), and a reasonable person could have been there and not expected what was going to happen.
That's not disengenous l. It's being pragmatic which I think everyone should subscribe to when faced with such a clear and present danger to the way we live our lives is right in front of us
Jeremiah Wright said some horrible things and yet the stillObama’s attended his church. So according to Julio, the obamas must agree with Wright
Maybe that's because Wright didn't have an opportunity to do so.
Your statement is that the Nazis were worse than soemone like Wright because they killed a bunch of people. They did so because they were in a position of power to implement their disgusting ideology.
Who is to say that if Wright and his ilk were given a similar power plateau that he wouldn't do the same against those that he deemed unworthy?