Starters

msstate7

msstate7

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What's your rankings on our starters from MLB to AA right now? If there are no trades and FA signings, which 5 would give us the best chance to win next season?
 
I'll give two sets of rankings. The first column lists order of effectiveness at the major league level at the start of the 2017 season and the second the order by the end of the season.

1. Teheran Teheran

2. Wisler Wisler

3. Folty Folty

4. Gant Gant

5. Perez Newcomb

6. Newcomb Sims

7. Blair Blair

8. Sims Perez

9. Harrell Povse

10. Jenkins Harrell

11. Ellis Jenkins

12. Whalen Ellis

13. Weber Whalen

14. Povse Weber
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Is Minter going to be a starter or reliever?
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I was thinking about that too. I think he is a wild card in that regard. Unless the medical reports indicate he should not be given the work load of a starting pitcher, I'd start him out next year in the starting rotation at AA. As with any other pitching prospect, you want to give him every opportunity to develop as a starter. I'm ok with them limiting innings this year coming off TJ surgery. But next year give him a shot as a starter.
 
JT
Folty
Newcomb
Wisler
Blair

I expect Sims to slot in around Necomb and behind Folty. Guy strikes out a ton.
 
nsacpi said:
I was thinking about that too. I think he is a wild card in that regard. Unless the medical reports indicate he should not be given the work load of a starting pitcher, I'd start him out next year in the starting rotation at AA. As with any other pitching prospect, you want to give him every opportunity to develop as a starter. I'm ok with them limiting innings this year coming off TJ surgery. But next year give him a shot as a starter.
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That is an interesting topic to me.. he is showing signs of a dominant closer right now. So is he better served as this role or trying to become a starter. The bigger payoff for him is a starter, but he can still become very rich being a reliever. The risk is as a starter the work load could blow his arm out before he ever makes it to the bigs. As a reliever he could be in Atl next year. I think it will be an interesting decision to watch.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
That is an interesting topic to me.. he is showing signs of a dominant closer right now. So is he better served as this role or trying to become a starter. The bigger payoff for him is a starter, but he can still become very rich being a reliever. The risk is as a starter the work load could blow his arm out before he ever makes it to the bigs. As a reliever he could be in Atl next year. I think it will be an interesting decision to watch.
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Not so sure he won't be in Atlanta in September.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
That is an interesting topic to me.. he is showing signs of a dominant closer right now. So is he better served as this role or trying to become a starter. The bigger payoff for him is a starter, but he can still become very rich being a reliever. The risk is as a starter the work load could blow his arm out before he ever makes it to the bigs. As a reliever he could be in Atl next year. I think it will be an interesting decision to watch.
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That's from his perspective. The club's perspective is a bit different. I think the goal is always to maximize a player's expected value. Health and injury risk obviously come into play, but the risk-return for the club is different from the player. The club also has to weigh in this situation what the alternatives are. Are we deeper in starters or relievers in the majors. Are we deeper in guys who project as starters or relievers in the minors. Are relievers more or less costly (relative to value) to acquire in the free agent and trade markets.
 
I like the idea of minter as a reliever. Minter, Simmons, viz (may not be here though), Alvarez (crossing my fingers he keeps it up), and combination of paco, cervenka, and withrow could really shorten a game.
 
nsacpi said:
I was thinking about that too. I think he is a wild card in that regard. Unless the medical reports indicate he should not be given the work load of a starting pitcher, I'd start him out next year in the starting rotation at AA. As with any other pitching prospect, you want to give him every opportunity to develop as a starter. I'm ok with them limiting innings this year coming off TJ surgery. But next year give him a shot as a starter.
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Yah, with how filthy his stuff has looked, I'd love to see if he can stick as a starter.
 
msstate7 said:
I like the idea of minter as a reliever. Minter, Simmons, viz (may not be here though), Alvarez (crossing my fingers he keeps it up), and combination of paco, cervenka, and withrow could really shorten a game.
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right now we have Dario, Hunter, Krol, and Viz who have all shown effectiveness this season. I think Viz will be traded at some point before 2017, so that leaves 4 who are effective BP pieces.

Now if Mauric100 can continue to improve we have a great back end piece. Then you have Winkler, Paco, Simmons all coming back from injuries and all have effective stuff to be good. then you have your minor league close to ready guys like Morris, Phillips, Minter(maybe), Hursh, Pfeifer..

Plus the starters who wash out.. Jenkins, Ellis, Gant, Whalen, Sims

I think our pitching depth will start to show next year as we can trade good pieces of our current pen and still have a very dominate pen going forward.
 
1/2-none

2/3-JT
Potential Folty

3/4-Folty-I think he's going to Jeff Samarja (sp?). Great stuff but never really put it together as an every night guy.

4/5-Gant, Jenkins, Blair, Wisler

Potential 1/2-Newcombe, Fried, Allard, Soroka, 3 first picks this year

Potential 2/3-Touki and Simms

Potential 3/4-Ellis, Sanchez, Povse

Potential 4/5-Whalen, Thurman, Bird, Man Ban
 
Russ2dollas said:
1/2-none

2/3-JT
Potential Folty

3/4-Folty-I think he's going to Jeff Samarja (sp?). Great stuff but never really put it together as an every night guy.

4/5-Gant, Jenkins, Blair, Wisler

Potential 1/2-Newcombe, Fried, Allard, Soroka, 3 first picks this year

Potential 2/3-Touki and Simms

Potential 3/4-Ellis, Sanchez, Povse

Potential 4/5-Whalen, Thurman, Bird, Man Ban
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Seems reasonable
 
msstate7 said:
What's your rankings on our starters from MLB to AA right now? If there are no trades and FA signings, which 5 would give us the best chance to win next season?
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To answer your question about next year that is tough. What we really need is for Newcombe to put it all together and be ready to go. Then throw out concerns about service time ETC.

IF (big IF that is
 
I like the idea of taking on a good pitcher who is over paid. If we could take that deal off their books and send them one of our 4/5 starters to take their place, maybe we could get a bat we could use. Again, not going to get a star but maybe you get a bat you can use.

Horsehide Harry said:
I don't see next year as the target but I would try to take advantage of some of the current situations around baseball to add veteran pitching as teams look to shed payroll. I think you could get Locke and Niese from Pittsburgh right now for almost nothing and Santana and Hughes from Minnesota for almost nothing. That would be adding about $40M in payroll for next year, but there should be room. And that would give you some cushion for the young guys and some talent to hopefully flip. If you got those four, assuming Hughes returns capable of pitching you would have:

Santana
Folty
Niese
Hughes
Locke
Wisler
Teheran

You could move Teheran and maybe even Folty and still have a playable ML rotation with some ability.

Santana
Wisler
Niese
Hughes
Locke

Isn't a great rotation but you don't have to have a great rotation next year. But it buys you time to have Blair, Ellis, Whalen, Gant, Newcomb, Fried, Soroka, etc. to all hone their craft without being forced to rush them and start burning their control time. Let's say Santana rebounds to a mid 3 era guy next year, you should be able to easily move him for at least a pen piece at the deadline in 17. Same goes for all of them really.

You are taking those guys as salary dumps from their previous teams and get some young talent for your trouble and have some reclamations for 2017.
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