UNCBlue012
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I wonder if he'll be a Livan Hernandez type.
Starting rotation
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I wonder if he'll be a Livan Hernandez type.
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Any rotation with two sinkerballers and Wisler will be light on Ks. And JT isn't a strikeout guy, either.
I'm not saying you have to K 10 per 9. But you do have to have a K/BB ratio of better than 1.4, which is where he is in the majors. He's a guy that won't kill you if you give him a spot start here and there. But on a team that is planning on being competitive, he doesn't have a role. He has 10 K and 8 BB in 20.1 IP this year. He's been ok overall, and that's only because his hits/9 is artificially low so far.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
In AAA he's been better than 3 to 1, which makes me think he can sustain something around 2 to 1 in the majors. But yeah 1.4 is not good enough.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
We will never do it but I'd like us to use some of these 5th starters and turn them into multi inning raps. Lots of ppl have written about using tweeter pitchers to be 1 time through the line up rps.
It would allow you to carry less pitchers. Also allows u to use an asset most teams don't want.
I think man ban and Perez would be best used as 1 time through the order pitchers. I think Jenkins could be that guy as a floor if he can't miss bats. Jenkins has the stuff but low ks. Other guys we could use would be Thurman Whalen gant hursh.
Help keep innings down on other young stArters
I don't think we have anyone dominant on the staff. Newcombe flashes that. Some say sims flashes dominance. I can't include folty bc of the hrs.
But Tehran wisler Blair give you really good guys who can hold teams under 3, esp when we improve the defense. I think we can get good 4/5 production from folty, Perez, sims, Newcombe, Ellis, and Jenkins.
Question is can we score 5 runs and win?
It would allow you to carry less pitchers. Also allows u to use an asset most teams don't want.
I think man ban and Perez would be best used as 1 time through the order pitchers. I think Jenkins could be that guy as a floor if he can't miss bats. Jenkins has the stuff but low ks. Other guys we could use would be Thurman Whalen gant hursh.
Help keep innings down on other young stArters
I don't think we have anyone dominant on the staff. Newcombe flashes that. Some say sims flashes dominance. I can't include folty bc of the hrs.
But Tehran wisler Blair give you really good guys who can hold teams under 3, esp when we improve the defense. I think we can get good 4/5 production from folty, Perez, sims, Newcombe, Ellis, and Jenkins.
Question is can we score 5 runs and win?
People, come on. Perez as a 2? As a 3? He's a borderline number 5 starter/swingman. He had 20 starts last year right about numbers you would expect. He doesn't strike anyone out.
Yes, he's a groundball pitcher, but last year was at 50% instead of 59% this year (probably aberration) For a sinkerballer, a .210 BABIP is ridiculously low and will rise significantly. There are major red flags when you have a 3.5 ERA despite a absurdly low BABIP. If you want to argue that he deserves a shot at the back end as a cheap innings eater, thats fine. A NUMBER 2 STARTER?
Yes, he's a groundball pitcher, but last year was at 50% instead of 59% this year (probably aberration) For a sinkerballer, a .210 BABIP is ridiculously low and will rise significantly. There are major red flags when you have a 3.5 ERA despite a absurdly low BABIP. If you want to argue that he deserves a shot at the back end as a cheap innings eater, thats fine. A NUMBER 2 STARTER?
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
12-13 pitchers on these teams
5 starters
4 multi inning rps
2 high leverage arms
Some have talked about using multi inning rps as your 5th starter
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-rays-radical-reliever-experiment/
4 starting pitchers
4 multi inning rps
2 high leverage arm
Maybe a loogy
Lots of guys out there who can get through a lineup once. Might be a way to cheap out on pitching without loosing too much effectiveness and put resources elsewhere
5 starters
4 multi inning rps
2 high leverage arms
Some have talked about using multi inning rps as your 5th starter
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-rays-radical-reliever-experiment/
4 starting pitchers
4 multi inning rps
2 high leverage arm
Maybe a loogy
Lots of guys out there who can get through a lineup once. Might be a way to cheap out on pitching without loosing too much effectiveness and put resources elsewhere
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
I assume every call on Julio starts with, " u know we aren't touching that Miller bs you pulled off"
This happens every single time a mediocre pitcher has a stretch of success for the Braves. In fact, it happened when Perez first came up and had some success. Then he sucked and everyone hated him. Now he pitches a good game and it's like folks forgot who Williams Perez is.
It's really hard not to call people stupid for things like pimping Perez as the answer to any roster spot on a contending team other than swing man or long relief, but I'll refrain.
But here's a rule of thumb: If you find yourself typing "he just knows how to pitch and/or get outs" the guy isn't good.
Im not sure if you were on the board for the battles about Horacio Ramirez. It was good times. Mr. Last Name makes Horacio look like Tom Glavine.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
I liked Perez even before his start last year but my expectations are more realistic. I am not saying he doesn't have more potential, but it makes more sense to project him as maybe a back-end starter or long-man going forward. Further, what I find funny is how Folty can stink so badly and then have a better start and after he's talked about being a potential ace. Then he goes back to stinking again and it calms down, only to start back when he finally has a good start again, lol. Dream on folks...
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Wisler and Blair pretty good chance, both solid middle of the rotation starters, Blair could maybe be a #2.
Newcomb likely jumps into the rotation next year.
With Stras off the market, pretty good chance Julio is eventually dealt.
Other 2 spots up in the air.
Newcomb likely jumps into the rotation next year.
With Stras off the market, pretty good chance Julio is eventually dealt.
Other 2 spots up in the air.
So you would have to set aside 2-3 of those multi-inning RPs for every 5th start if you're going without a #5 SP. If that's the case, you're going to get into some really tough decisions on when to use who in the other 4 games. I don't trust really any major league manager to be able to keep that organized and use everyone in the right way. What happens if your #3 and #4 SPs struggle in back-to-back games, and you suddenly have to use a good bit of your pen? What do you do in the next game?
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
I like the way you are thinking but would like better to see it expanded:
Teheran and Freeman, & $6M for Bregman, Reed, Tucker and Fisher, Valbuena and Gattis
The Astros are not doing that.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Use your options and call someone in aaa
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
I would love to go with a non traditional pitching rotation. The setup I like is 9 pitchers who go 3 innings every 3 games. That takes only 9 pitchers. That leaves room for a closer, a LOOGY, a ROOGY, and a long reliever. Something like this would take a multi-year organizational commitment though. I think pitchers that could do well in this format are undervalued because they cant pitch past the 5th inning or get pigeon holed into a 1 inning at a time reliever.
It's actually easier to find 5 guys who can go 6+ innings every 5 days than it is to find what you're looking for. If I have a guy who is considered a good #1 or 2 as it is now, why am I going to limit that guy?