- STARTS TODAY AT 7PM - 2016 June Amateur Draft Discussion

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50PoundHead said:
My only concern with Lewis is if he's an "athlete playing baseball" more than a "baseball player with athleticism." I honestly don't know the answer, but my guess is scouts do (or will be able to discern that). If for real, he checks a lot of boxes.
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Yeah, that's a double edged sword. He's a tremendous athlete who has done what he's done in spite of not having played all that much baseball. That shows you just how high this guy's ceiling is. But it does up his risk and possibly his development time as well. Gotta trust our scouts.
 
50PoundHead said:
My only concern with Lewis is if he's an "athlete playing baseball" more than a "baseball player with athleticism." I honestly don't know the answer, but my guess is scouts do (or will be able to discern that). If for real, he checks a lot of boxes.
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I think that's a genuine concern for sure. One thing I think we can keep an eye on there is his BB/K ratio, I don't know any athletes playing baseball that can walk more than they K. Lewis didn't have great numbers BB/Kwise last year, but has been dynamite so far this season. If Lewis continues to do what he's doing there for the season I think he'll be pretty legit.
 
auyushu said:
I think that's a genuine concern for sure. One thing I think we can keep an eye on there is his BB/K ratio, I don't know any athletes playing baseball that can walk more than they K. Lewis didn't have great numbers BB/Kwise last year, but has been dynamite so far this season. If Lewis continues to do what he's doing there for the season I think he'll be pretty legit.
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I may worry about this angle too much, but I do remember when Chuck Lamar went wild drafting football players.
 
50PoundHead said:
I may worry about this angle too much, but I do remember when Chuck Lamar went wild drafting football players.
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I don't think it's a minor worry, but those types of players usually show warning signs, and a big one to me is the BB/K ratio. When I think of what you are talking about the poster child to me is Frenchy, and Jeff showed warning signs in the form of terrible K and walk rates throughout the minors. So it really shouldn't have been that big of a surprise when he struggled against better pitching in the majors. Donovan Tate is another good example relatively recently. Those types of players are always a little concerning.

If Lewis maintains a solid BB/K ratio going forward the rest of the way my main concern with him would be level of competition. But he has performed well in the summer leagues even then.
 
auyushu said:
I don't think it's a minor worry, but those types of players usually show warning signs, and a big one to me is the BB/K ratio. When I think of what you are talking about the poster child to me is Frenchy, and Jeff showed warning signs in the form of terrible K and walk rates throughout the minors. So it really shouldn't have been that big of a surprise when he struggled against better pitching in the majors. Donovan Tate is another good example relatively recently. Those types of players are always a little concerning.

If Lewis maintains a solid BB/K ratio going forward the rest of the way my main concern with him would be level of competition. But he has performed well in the summer leagues even then.
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So long as the player plays Division 1 baseball and rakes, I'm ok with it. Kris Bryant played at San Diego.
 
smootness said:
So long as the player plays Division 1 baseball and rakes, I'm ok with it. Kris Bryant played at San Diego.
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Yep, and Bryant is another guy that showed excellent K/BB ratios in college and exploded from being very good to amazing between his soph and junior years.
 
Mentions that Ray could go #1... If Gromme could somehow fall to 3 however unlikely I would pick him up in a second. His ceiling, his maturity level and development already is ridiculous. If not I hope we pick Rutherford or Lewis. Please stay away from Puk or Pint

I think their analysis on Lewis is pretty off
 
zbhargrove said:
I think their analysis on Lewis is pretty off
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They mention his high K rate in a weak conference, but he has a 10% K rate in about 85 PAs this year. I don't see any way that can be considered high, so it makes me think they haven't been following him at all.
 
Enscheff said:
They mention his high K rate in a weak conference, but he has a 10% K rate in about 85 PAs this year. I don't see any way that can be considered high, so it makes me think they haven't been following him at all.
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Agreed. We will have to watch how this progression last. Is it a hot streak or does he revert? If he doesn't revert we could be talking about a special kid. The weak conference junk is crap.... That's shown not to matter a whole lot in MLB prospects. I am excited to see Rutherford play though because he could be close to a five tool player if he puts it all together.
 
Things will obviously change between now and the draft. But as of now it looks like there is a bit of separation between Jason Groome and everyone else. It looks unlikely that he will be around when we pick. Of the rest the one that intrigues me the most is Delvin Perez.
 
Rutherford has sounded pretty good to me for awhile now.

On the other hand, considering what a big need 3B is for us, Senzel has got to be a little tempting. I suppose a lot of that will come down to how Ruiz performs this year and how Riley looks defensively.
 
MadduxFanII said:
Rutherford has sounded pretty good to me for awhile now.

On the other hand, considering what a big need 3B is for us, Senzel has got to be a little tempting. I suppose a lot of that will come down to how Ruiz performs this year and how Riley looks defensively.
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I consider a big bat to be our biggest need, regardless of position. We have more future 3B options than corner OF options at this point, honestly.

The problem is, I just don't understand Senzel's appeal. He has a good hit tool, good discipline and good defense, which is fine, but it doesn't seem like he offers much power or speed. I've seen places claim his power is above-average, but that hasn't shown up in actual games. He seems like a good pick for the middle to end of the 1st round, but I wouldn't take him at 3.
 
smootness said:
I consider a big bat to be our biggest need, regardless of position. We have more future 3B options than corner OF options at this point, honestly.

The problem is, I just don't understand Senzel's appeal. He has a good hit tool, good discipline and good defense, which is fine, but it doesn't seem like he offers much power or speed. I've seen places claim his power is above-average, but that hasn't shown up in actual games. He seems like a good pick for the middle to end of the 1st round, but I wouldn't take him at 3.
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Totally with you. I don't want him at all. I'm all in on the Corey Ray train.
 
MadduxFanII said:
Rutherford has sounded pretty good to me for awhile now.

On the other hand, considering what a big need 3B is for us, Senzel has got to be a little tempting. I suppose a lot of that will come down to how Ruiz performs this year and how Riley looks defensively.
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See I keep seeing the high ratings for Senzel and I know he has the raw tools but there haven't been really any results yet. Those types of players usually fail in the pros. He's hyped because of his tools and not what he's done. That makes me nervous. I think between Ruiz and Riley and then Maitan we will be fine
 
CJ9 said:
Totally with you. I don't want him at all. I'm all in on the Corey Ray train.
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I like Ray but his K's scare me. This is why it will be so important to see how Rutherford plays. He has the tools to be a special kid. Really the tools to be the Gromme of the hitters
 
I listened to the most recen chopcast today and they had a guy from BA on to discuss the draft. He explained why he was so high on Senzel. He said it's because he's the most sure thing hitter in the draft. Of all the hitters he's the most likely to be a .300 hitter.

He commented about the power not showing up in games but being there in BP so he expects power to come.

All in all the report sounded like Dansby Swanson but at third.

I think we'll give Senzel a long look especially if Ruiz doesn't show serious improvement.
 
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