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50PoundHead said:
This is always the problem with drafting near the top (being bad and having to draft near the top is also a problem), but it seems you would draft Lewis on projection and Ray or Senzel on production. Of these three, Ray seems to be the "middle" guy in that his ceiling is higher than Senzel's and his floor is higher than Lewis'. As long as the logic is there, I'll be fine with the pick (unless it's something way outside the box). I don't see how a team can pass on Groome if he's there at #3.
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I feel the same with Groome.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Klaw has him 1. And says this:
1. Corey Ray, OF
Louisville
Previous rank: 1

Although Ray could slip out of the top five, I still think he's the best all-around player in the draft class, a power-speed guy who has a good idea of the strike zone and plenty of bat speed, giving him a high floor of an everyday left fielder.

I like power and speed and plate discipline.

Let's assume the braves have a similar board but Groome at 1 and Ray at 2. Or even Ray at 3-5. The braves do have to consider how big of a difference there is between 1-5 and the cost of each player.

I guess I'm saying if Ray is the pick it does't mean the Braves are drafting for need or for low floor......necessarily. They may think Ray is BPA (insiders can't agree if we like Groome or Pint better). They may think there is no difference between Ray, Lewis, Puk, etc. They may think that Groome is BPA and then draft Ray as part of an overall draft strategy (spend more money later).

I have no data for this but I recall Klaw being a big supporter of Coppy when Wren was there up to now. They seem to be in step with a lot of opinions based on our trades and Klaw's write ups. And McDaniel and Klaw seem to be similar in approach. Klaw has Ray at 1 and Lewis at 8. Maybe the Braves feel the same way.
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My one drawback is can he play CF?
 
I believe personally that Ray and Lewis have similar floors. I don't see Ray as someone who will be at least a decent major leaguer no matter what; I think he could bust, especially if he can't play CF.

I'm not sure why Lewis is based less on production than Senzel or Ray. I get that his level of competition is lower, but you can't really produce much more than he has this year.
 
Law is weird sometimes. He seems to care more about ceiling than most, but then will knock a guy with a huge ceiling if his floor is lower as well.
 
smootness said:
I believe personally that Ray and Lewis have similar floors. I don't see Ray as someone who will be at least a decent major leaguer no matter what; I think he could bust, especially if he can't play CF.

I'm not sure why Lewis is based less on production than Senzel or Ray. I get that his level of competition is lower, but you can't really produce much more than he has this year.
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I think it's that and the fact he didn't start concentrating on baseball as early as some of the other guys. I think he has the highest ceiling given his athleticism.
 
Senzel seems like a guy who will at least make the majors and be a contributor, but to take him when Jason Groome, Riley Pint, possibly Kyle Lewis and Corey Ray are still on the board would make my stomach turn and give me flashbacks of Frank Wren and Tony DeMacio screwing up the farm system with their draft decisions.
 
KB21 said:
My one drawback is can he play CF?
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Why does he need to play CF? We have Inciarte, Mallex, and Acuna. I think we'll draft a mess of international guys too.

Can he be a plus defender at a spot and a plus hitter at that spot? If he has to play LF, I'm fine with that if his bat can support it.

I'd love to have a big, RH hitting RF but not sure that exists. Maybe Lewis grows into that.
 
KB21 said:
Senzel seems like a guy who will at least make the majors and be a contributor, but to take him when Jason Groome, Riley Pint, possibly Kyle Lewis and Corey Ray are still on the board would make my stomach turn and give me flashbacks of Frank Wren and Tony DeMacio screwing up the farm system with their draft decisions.
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Mostly agree. But everyone says he has big power in batting practice. So maybe there team thinks that with maturity and/or some adjustments they have seen he can have in game power.
 
KLaw mock is out, but it's premium so I can only see the first two picks for free. Puk at the top, and he says the list of players is growing that Philly could overpay at 42. He says they could pay Rutherford big money there. That's interesting, hopefully we could pay him big money at 40.

He has Kyle Lewis at 2, says it's down to Lewis or Senzel there if Puk goes one. They would take Puk at 2.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Why does he need to play CF? We have Inciarte, Mallex, and Acuna. I think we'll draft a mess of international guys too.

Can he be a plus defender at a spot and a plus hitter at that spot? If he has to play LF, I'm fine with that if his bat can support it.

I'd love to have a big, RH hitting RF but not sure that exists. Maybe Lewis grows into that.
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Because for him to have maximum value, his tools need to be in center field.

Nonetheless, here is a good view of Corey Ray showing some oppo power:

[video=youtube;6CJ9PFn1qyc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CJ9PFn1qyc[/video]
 
CJ9 said:
KLaw mock is out, but it's premium so I can only see the first two picks for free. Puk at the top, and he says the list of players is growing that Philly could overpay at 42. He says they could pay Rutherford big money there. That's interesting, hopefully we could pay him big money at 40.

He has Kyle Lewis at 2, says it's down to Lewis or Senzel there if Puk goes one. They would take Puk at 2.
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3. Atlanta Braves
Jason Groome, LHP
Barnegat (New Jersey) HS

It's likely Groome, Lewis or Corey Ray here, though there's an outside shot they'd take Senzel.

3. Braves -- Jason Groome
4. Rockies -- Riley Pint
5. Brewers -- Corey Ray
6. Athletics -- Nick Senzel (such a Billy Beane type of pick)

Law says Ray is out for the A's, which moves him up my list some.
 
KB21 said:
Because for him to have maximum value, his tools need to be in center field.

Nonetheless, here is a good view of Corey Ray showing some oppo power:

[video=youtube;6CJ9PFn1qyc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CJ9PFn1qyc[/video]
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I disagree. I get that CF is the most value. Like SS is the most value in the IF.

But the Braves need talent. The especially need high end talent. There are a lot of mid level starters. We need some ace guys and some bats. So if you have this guy as a big time hitter, I don't care if he has to play RF or LF. We need hitting talent. Guys that hit the ball hard, take walks, and don't strike out 25% or more of the time.

I'd rather have what Ray is projected by most to be in LF than Mallex in LF (who can play CF).
 
Senzel is a high ceiling and high floor prospect. There seems to be an assumption around here that high floor implies low ceiling.
 
KB21 said:
3. Atlanta Braves
Jason Groome, LHP
Barnegat (New Jersey) HS

It's likely Groome, Lewis or Corey Ray here, though there's an outside shot they'd take Senzel.

3. Braves -- Jason Groome
4. Rockies -- Riley Pint
5. Brewers -- Corey Ray
6. Athletics -- Nick Senzel (such a Billy Beane type of pick)

Law says Ray is out for the A's, which moves him up my list some.
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That's about how I'd have it at this point. Groome may be my favorite player in the draft and getting any of those three is rock solid
 
per bowman:
"Depth is paramount in this Draft," Braves general manager John Coppolella said. "This is a Draft that is short on star power, but is long on talent. I think there is very little difference between the player you're going to be getting with any of the first three picks or the player you'd be getting with picks 11 through 13."

"We think we're going to get five players we really like," Coppolella said. "We think there's going to be good talent and values throughout the Draft. But if you look at it historically, the top 100 picks are critical, and to be able to have five in the top 80 is huge for us."

"We're trying to build a foundation around talented young players," Coppolella said. "It would be easy if we wanted to simply go with college players. We'd see the results sooner and they could help more immediately. But that is part of what got us into this problem in that we stayed away from impactful high school players. [Taking impactful high school players] is what had made the Braves who they were throughout the 1990s and early 2000s."

I don't agree with the HS part. It's about drafting the RIGHT player, not the HS vs college player. You want high ceiling and you want to be right.
 
KB21 said:
http://m.braves.mlb.com/news/articl...f-mlb-drafts-first-80-picks?topicid=167757330

From that article:
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I hope it's not this Ian Anderson.

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People seem to be all over the place with Moriak. Sounding more and more like someone out of the top five will get a steal with this kid.
 
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