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Hudson2 said:
If Groome is really dropping that fast and Lewis is gone at 3 then who do you take? Puk or Moniak would be my 2 choices.
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Moniak, Puk or Ray. I'm not that high on Puk to be honest tho.... can't put my finger on it but something about him screams mediocre long term.

which means, of course, he will be a superstar....
 
Hudson2 said:
If Groome is really dropping that fast and Lewis is gone at 3 then who do you take? Puk or Moniak would be my 2 choices.
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Ray for me.

I just can't get on the Puk bandwagon. I've watched him for three years as a UF fan. When he's on, it's dominant, but it happens way too infrequently. The questions about his mental makeup are real. He's just not tough at all. UF has a super regional vs FSU this weekend, and he probably won't throw until game 3. If it all clicks, he's a stud but I've had enough from being forced to watch him in recent years.
 
CJ9 said:
Ray for me.

I just can't get on the Puk bandwagon. I've watched him for three years as a UF fan. When he's on, it's dominant, but it happens way too infrequently. The questions about his mental makeup are real. He's just not tough at all. UF has a super regional vs FSU this weekend, and he probably won't throw until game 3. If it all clicks, he's a stud but I've had enough from being forced to watch him in recent years.
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Has he gone more than 5 innings in any start?

Anyway, I looked back at BA's write up on George Springer in the 2011 draft. My interest was piqued when I saw Jim Callis had done a redraft and put him at the 5 spot in the draft (he went 11th). This is what BA said about Springer:

Springer was largely overlooked in high school, taking a back seat to higher-profile New England draftees like Anthony Hewitt, Ryan Westmoreland and Chris Dwyer. The Twins took a 48th-round flier on him in 2008 but he went to Connecticut, and three years later he may have the best all-around tools of any college player in the last decade. At 6-foot-3 and 200 pounds, Springer has a skill set rarely seen among college players. He generates plus raw power with explosive bat speed. He has a plus arm and is a plus runner, and he's a smooth defender in center field. He struggled early in 2011, when his hands were tight to his body and his stance was narrow, and he collapsed on his back side. But he made adjustments and returned to form when Big East play started, showing scouts why he was the Cape Cod League's No. 2 prospect last summer. His early-season struggles scared some scouts who question Springer's swing mechanics, as he can be exposed with velocity on the inner half. He's raw for a college first-round pick, but Springer may have the highest ceiling in the draft.
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I think you could draw some comparison to Kyle Lewis here.
 
KB21 said:
Has he gone more than 5 innings in any start?

Anyway, I looked back at BA's write up on George Springer in the 2011 draft. My interest was piqued when I saw Jim Callis had done a redraft and put him at the 5 spot in the draft (he went 11th). This is what BA said about Springer:

I think you could draw some comparison to Kyle Lewis here.
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I think Springer is a good comp for what folks see with Lewis, though I think Lewis has a bit higher power ceiling. Of course, if you add 5-10 more HRs to Springer's game you get Dave Winfield, which is an unfair comp for any college kid.
 
ramadon101 said:
I stumbled on this article from FanGraphs about Lewis which was an excellent read. In short, it says it's dangerous to scout the stat line, but when comparing Lewis to other similarly situated players from national conferences not known for producing a stream of MLB level talent, Lewis profiles more likely as a bust than someone who may be successful (in large part due to his contact %). Of course he's young enough and may be talented enough to mitigate or eliminate holes in his swing, but I thought it was a good reminder not to simply buy into the stat line alone.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/kyle-lewis-and-the-elite-small-conference-draft-prospect/
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That pretty much sums up why I dont want Lewis. His stat line is virtually meaningless to me. I want players with elite contact rates. That doesnt mean they will be elite contact hitters by the time they hit the majors its just that if a guy is whiffing on 85 mph fastballs I doubt their ability to hit better stuff later on. I would love a big power bat as much as everyone else but I dont want to draft a bust just because we have a need for power.

edit - and I love the comp I keep hearing of Lewis is Heyward without the speed and defense. As if thats a compliment.
 
I've heard Lewis comped to George Springer, Carlos Beltran and Carlos Gomez. I'll take that.

I reckon, if he makes it to #3 the braves will draft him. If he doesn't, then it's probably Ray or Puk.
 
FWIW and realizing the "credibility" of the source, Bleacher Report has the first three picks as Philly going with Puk, Ray to the Reds, and Groome to us.
 
cajunrevenge said:
That pretty much sums up why I dont want Lewis. His stat line is virtually meaningless to me. I want players with elite contact rates. That doesnt mean they will be elite contact hitters by the time they hit the majors its just that if a guy is whiffing on 85 mph fastballs I doubt their ability to hit better stuff later on. I would love a big power bat as much as everyone else but I dont want to draft a bust just because we have a need for power.

edit - and I love the comp I keep hearing of Lewis is Heyward without the speed and defense. As if thats a compliment.
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This is all fair, and obviously no one's opinion is more legitimate than anybody else's at this point, but I don't think many people want Lewis because we have a need for power. Some may, but I certainly don't. I want Lewis because I think he has the highest ceiling for any player in the draft, save possibly Groome.
 
I agree with Cajunrevenge about Lewis. He seems too much of a boom or bust pick with his mediocre contact rates. I prefer Senzel myself.
 
cajunrevenge said:
That pretty much sums up why I dont want Lewis. His stat line is virtually meaningless to me. I want players with elite contact rates. That doesnt mean they will be elite contact hitters by the time they hit the majors its just that if a guy is whiffing on 85 mph fastballs I doubt their ability to hit better stuff later on. I would love a big power bat as much as everyone else but I dont want to draft a bust just because we have a need for power.

edit - and I love the comp I keep hearing of Lewis is Heyward without the speed and defense. As if thats a compliment.
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Lewis is a 6.6 runner in the 60, so I'm not sure where this idea that he is Heyward without speed comes from. Heyward was a 6.8 runner.
 
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