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rico43

<B>Director of Minor League Reports</B>
Here is full, complete ballot for this year's Hall of Fame induiction. Vote for 10 or less.

The complete list of players on the BBWAA Hall of Fame ballot:

Barry Bonds

Chris Carpenter

Roger Clemens

Johnny Damon

Vladimir Guerrero

Livan Hernandez

Trevor Hoffman

Orlando Hudson

Aubrey Huff

Jason Isringhausen

Andruw Jones

Chipper Jones

Jeff Kent

Carlos Lee

Brad Lidge

Edgar Martinez

Hideki Matsui

Fred McGriff

Kevin Millwood

Jamie Moyer

Mike Mussina

Manny Ramirez

Scott Rolen

Johan Santana

Curt Schilling

Gary Sheffield

Sammy Sosa

Jim Thome

Omar Vizquel

Billy Wagner

Larry Walker

Kerry Wood

Carlos Zambrano
 
Here is Rico's mythical ballot:

Chipper Jones
Andruw Jones
Roger Clemens
Barry Bonds
Fred McGriff
Gary Sheffield
Trevor Hoffman
Vladimir Guerrero
Jim Thome
Edgar Martinez
 
Will take a different approach. This is how I think the results will be:

Trevor Hoffman
Chipper Jones
Jim Thome

(Personally think Vlad is more deserving but just think that Thome will get in first.)
 
Barry Bonds
Vladimir Guerrero
Trevor Hoffman
Andruw Jones
Chipper Jones
Jeff Kent
Edgar Martinez
Jim Thome
Curt Schilling
Larry Walker

I've softened my stance on Bonds from 10 years ago. More inclined to believe he was just that damn good over PED's made him what he was. Vlad is a beast and should be in. Hoffman will get in. Andruw needs more time on the ballot. Defensively the best centerfielder ever by statistical measure and by the eye test. Good enough offensive numbers as a Centerfielder to where he should be given consideration when you combine it with his defense. Chipper a lock. Kent deserves some love. Not sure how much time Edgar has left. Thome should get it. Schilling should get in. Walker was one of the best pure hitters I've ever seen and really good in right field. Statistically he has a really good case to make it despite having some injury plagued seasons. I hope he gets in eventually.
 
1.Chipper

2.Vlad

3.Hoffman

4.Edgar

5.Shilling

6.Mussina

7.Kent

8.Andrew-don't think he gets in but if Ozzie Smith and Brooks Robinson get in by being all timers on defense then why not Andrew?

9. Bonds and 10.Clemons-it pains me to include them but atleast they showed how great they were before they got on the juice unlike Sosa/Manny and others who all of the sudden went from mediocre to all timers
 
Chipper
Thome
Hoffman
Vlad

Schilling, Vizquel, Edgar Martinez, Rolen, and Moose all get 50%. I think at least 2 of this group makes it in on next year's ballot.

Known steroid users continue to be blackballed and rightfully so.
 
My List with note below*

Barry Bonds:One of the top 10 players of all time.
Roger Clemens: One of the top 10 best pitchers of all time.
Vladimir Guerrero: great offensive OF with good defense playing on a lot of bad teams.
Andruw Jones: Best defensive player on the planet with HoF benchmark offensive numbers.
Chipper Jones: One of top 3 3rd basemen of all time. One of top 3 switch hitters of all time.
Fred McGriff: Was most feared power bat in both leagues at different times. Not 1st ballot but worthy to get in.
Mike Mussina: One of the best RH of his era and not tainted by steroid concerns.
Gary Sheffield: One of the most feared bats of his era with HoF counting numbers.
Sammy Sosa: One of the best power hitters ever.
Jim Thome: Top 10 all time in HR hit. Long successful career.

Just missed -
Omar Vizquel: Great glove and should eventually get in but too one dimensional for me
Curt Schilling: Not as good as John Smoltz but should eventually get in.
Jeff Kent: Best 2B of his era and should eventually get in.
Manny Ramirez: Similar to Bonds, Sosa, Sheffield but got busted multiple times and didn't seem to care. He eventually gets in.

Note: The steroid issue isn't something I overlook. But, I will say that MLB and Bud Selig created the environment for the steroid era to happen and now sit back like they didn't know. They knew and overlooked it until it became such a public relations problem they changed stance. McGwire was shown to have Andro in his locker 3-4 years before MLB ever decided it was a real problem. So, most of these guys are being punished for using when baseball (everybody from the commissioner through the players union) knew that they were using. Did Babe Ruth not get in because he was getting drunk every night during prohibition? Did Aaron or Mays get left out for using greenies and reds during the 60's? Who's to say that those weren't "performance enhancing." If you are going to punish the players and not let them in for doing steroids when all of baseball knew then Selig should not have gone in as the commissioner who allowed it to happen.
 
It blows my mind that so many people believe that Andruw isn't worthy of eventual HoF induction. His defense was transcendentally good. In fact, according to certain metrics, he is the 2nd best defensive player of all time regardless of position, only trailing Brooks Robinson. His defense alone should be enough to get him consideration, but if you add 400 home runs to the mix and it seems like he should be a lock. From 1998-2007 he was 3rd overall in WAR, only trailing Barry Bonds and Alex Rodriguez... two proven steroid users. I don't think I've ever seen any evidence that Andruw used so given the era he played in, that has to be in his favor.

This article really outlines his HOF case well: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/in-defense-of-andruw-jones-hall-of-fame-credentials/

I just don't see a good argument against him getting in. Even the longevity argument
 
BeanieAntics said:
It blows my mind that so many people believe that Andruw isn't worthy of eventual HoF induction. His defense was transcendentally good. In fact, according to certain metrics, he is the 2nd best defensive player of all time regardless of position, only trailing Brooks Robinson. His defense alone should be enough to get him consideration, but if you add 400 home runs to the mix and it seems like he should be a lock. From 1998-2007 he was 3rd overall in WAR, only trailing Barry Bonds and Alex Rodriguez... two proven steroid users. I don't think I've ever seen any evidence that Andruw used so given the era he played in, that has to be in his favor.

This article really outlines his HOF case well: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/in-defense-of-andruw-jones-hall-of-fame-credentials/

I just don't see a good argument against him getting in. Even the longevity argument
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I think he has a better case than Guerrero, with longevity being the only thing in the latter' favor. Odd that most articles I've read think Guerrero is very likely to get in this year, while Andruw hasn't a chance.
 
My vote goes to Aubrey Huff's Rally Thong.

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Chipper

Mussina

Schilling

McGriff

Thome

Rolen

Edgar Martinez

Wagner

Andruw

I appreciate the "not on the first ballot" stance some take (I really do), I just completely disagree with that take - either you ARE a Hall Of Famer or you're not.

Vlad would be my 10th over Walker if push came to shove because of the "Coors Effect" even thought I don't like that distinction either. Andruw beats them both because of his defense.
 
rico43 said:
The complete list of players on the BBWAA Hall of Fame ballot:
Barry Bonds
Chris Carpenter
Roger Clemens
Johnny Damon
Vladimir Guerrero
Livan Hernandez
Trevor Hoffman
Orlando Hudson
Aubrey Huff
Jason Isringhausen
Andruw Jones
Chipper Jones
Jeff Kent
Carlos Lee
Brad Lidge
Edgar Martinez
Hideki Matsui
Fred McGriff
Kevin Millwood
Jamie Moyer
Mike Mussina
Manny Ramirez
Scott Rolen
Johan Santana
Curt Schilling
Gary Sheffield
Sammy Sosa
Jim Thome
Omar Vizquel
Billy Wagner
Larry Walker
Kerry Wood
Carlos Zambrano
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that would be my ballot if i had a vote
 
TURBO said:
I assume Chipper will get in, but how many voters will pass on him?
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I read an article the other day and there is quite a bit of pushback. i didn't realize that some of Chipper's tweets were pretty out there. That said, he's probably in.
 
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