Talkin' 'bout all extensions thread

AUTiger7222 said:
I agree. I'm just saying it is possible for an entire wave to bomb. What happened to the Braves, over the course of that 3 year period, when all those guys I mentioned came up and then all bombed was highly unlikely. Odds would have told us that 1 or 2 of them would have turned into successful MLB starting pitchers. But none of them did. Morton has been decent since we shipped him to the Pirates though.
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You bet it's possible. And having as many young pitchers with game as we have is lightning in a bottle and we should pay them, too.

nsacpi, if the payroll goes to $140-150m, does that change your opinion?
 
Millwood1Hitter said:
JS's pride was hurt after losing AROD at the last minute to Texas and the Maddux-Millwood fiasco and basically he had the attitude that he was not going to deal and have dialect with agents unless the players initiated the contact and interest. And JS was bound and determined to do whatever it took to put competitive teams on the field and stick it to those agents.

While the economics certainly changed at that time, with player salaries reaching astronomical values at that time along with the Braves financial constraints, we had very few negotiations with FAs during that period of time but lots of players were acquired via trades.

Who was our biggest FA signee during that period? Paul byrd, John Thomson, Roberto Hernandez, Jordan, Mondesi?

Meanwhile Drew, King, Soriano, Gonzalez, Kolb, Wickman, Reitsma, Renteria, Mercker, Ortiz, Hampton, Hudson, Baez and others were acquired via trades for minor leaguers.

JS made no attempt to negotiate or keep our own FAs from Sheffield, Lopez, Glavine, Remlinger, Drew, Druw, and Furcal. The only ones that were retained in that period was Smoltz, Holmes, Franco, and Chippers and Andruws extension as well as Hudson's extension when he was acquired.

JS was horrible during this time and a weak NL east filled with incompetent front offices and the baby Braves saved JSs face more than anything.
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Exactly. The NL East was so bad that the Braves won the division in 2001 with just 88 wins. 88 wins 99.5% of the time has you sitting at home watching October. Although the division was pretty good in 2002. The Expos finished last and had 81 wins.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
You bet it's possible. And having as many young pitchers with game as we have is lightning in a bottle and we should pay them, too.

nsacpi, if the payroll goes to $140-150m, does that change your opinion?
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Agreed. I want Minor to get paid. And I wish Beachy wasn't such a question mark or I would pay him right now too.
 
As far as who I expect to sign an extension next, my guess based on reports is Mike Minor. It also seems Heyward will be extended at least through our first season in Cobb too. But that seems more likely to happen next off-season.
 
AUTiger7222 said:
And I wish Beachy wasn't such a question mark or I would pay him right now too.
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Same here, I am probably higher on Beachy than most around here. If he proves healthy and pitches like he can again, then I'd seek to extend him before I would Medlen. However, I agree with the Braves apparent plan of looking to extend Minor next among starters. And I understand we cannot and likely shouldn't extend them all. Minor being the youngest among the three is in his favor too.
 
Braves1976 said:
Same here, I am probably higher on Beachy than most around here. If he proves healthy and pitches like he can again, then I'd seek to extend him before I would Medlen. However, I agree with the Braves apparent plan of looking to extend Minor next among starters. And I understand we cannot and likely shouldn't extend them all. Minor being the youngest among the three is in his favor too.
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Medlen I doubt sees an extension as close to 30 as he is.
 
I like Beachy but we cant extend EVERYONE lol.

Minor is the most likely one to extend, hopefully before Opening Day.

They'll talk with Heyward about an extension, i'll believe it if pin hits paper though.
 
hilarious comment on talking chop.

 The only thing left to extend

is Chris Johnson’s range.

by Dan Uggla's Forearm on Feb 21, 2014 | 3:38 PM reply
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AUTiger7222 said:
Exactly. The NL East was so bad that the Braves won the division in 2001 with just 88 wins. 88 wins 99.5% of the time has you sitting at home watching October. Although the division was pretty good in 2002. The Expos finished last and had 81 wins.
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You disrespect Vinny Castilla. One of our biggest FA seasons
 
GovClintonTyree said:
You bet it's possible. And having as many young pitchers with game as we have is lightning in a bottle and we should pay them, too.

nsacpi, if the payroll goes to $140-150m, does that change your opinion?
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If it goes to 140-150M, we have the capability of adding one more significant contract (or combination of smaller ones). I would say if the choice is between Justin Upton or Mike Minor to add to the core, I would go with Upton. Reason 1 has to do with less risk with position players generally. Reason 2 has to do with my own assessment of the upside and downside of the particular players in question. Reason 3 has to do with the pitching we have in the minor league pipeline compared with the corner outfielders.

I will say that Reason 3 could be different a year from now. With a strong season in Rome, Victor Reyes could establish himself as the kind of player we want to clear a path to the majors for. So I would be happy to wait a year before making that call.
 
nsacpi said:
If it goes to 140-150M, we have the capability of adding one more significant contract (or combination of smaller ones). I would say if the choice is between Justin Upton or Mike Minor to add to the core, I would go with Upton. Reason 1 has to do with less risk with position players generally. Reason 2 has to do with my own assessment of the upside and downside of the particular players in question. Reason 3 has to do with the pitching we have in the minor league pipeline compared with the corner outfielders.

I will say that Reason 3 could be different a year from now. With a strong season in Rome, Victor Reyes could establish himself as the kind of player we want to clear a path to the majors for. So I would be happy to wait a year before making that call.
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The other problem with pitchers is more often than position players get career ruining injuries. How many promising pitchers do you need to see go down before you realize there's a mega risk in paying big bucks to pitching. Of course pitching is great and great pitching wins championships, blah blah blah. But it seems like more than half of the FA pitching contracts are bad or wind up bad. While the same isn't quite true of position players. All big contracts are risky, (see Pujols, Albert) but it seems like pitchers are even more risky. Evena guy who rocks most of his contract can wind up out of baseball (Halladay, Roy) and some guys make a killing and are never even close to worth it (Zito, Barry)

By my looking quickly at the WS champs in recent years, it seems like a healthy chunk of their team is made up of young cheap starters. not over paid older guys. Sure there are a few of them in there as well, but it's the minority.
 
Yea Mike Minor is the next logical choice. Heyward won't happen until midseason or next offseason. I would love to get Minor done before the year.
 
What pitcher signed a deal that included a team option for an additional year at $1m if the pitcher missed significant time with Tommy John or a shoulder?

Since we're getting creative with extensions, that's one way to mitigate risk with a pitcher.
 
I don't think the front office should be in a hurry to extend Minor. We have him for four years. Now if his agent comes in a proposes something very club friendly, sure you do it. But there is no urgency. The heavy lifting is done.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
What pitcher signed a deal that included a team option for an additional year at $1m if the pitcher missed significant time with Tommy John or a shoulder?

Since we're getting creative with extensions, that's one way to mitigate risk with a pitcher.
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Lackey is going to pitch at minimum in 2015. The Padres have a cheap option (4M) on Josh Johnson if he pitches fewer than seven games this year. The Mariners have a 1M option on Felix Hernandez at the end of his contract if he misses a certain amount of time with an elbow injury. There may be other similar clauses.
 
nsacpi said:
I don't think the front office should be in a hurry to extend Minor. We have him for four years. Now if his agent comes in a proposes something very club friendly, sure you do it. But there is no urgency. The heavy lifting is done.
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I would agree wholeheartedly with this.
 
skillet said:
I would agree wholeheartedly with this.
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Agree.

I feel like Minor is really good but replaceable. He just seems like the kind of guy the Braves produce consistently. IF he wants to do a team friendly deal, then great. Otherwise I think I'd go through Arb with him.

Extending pitchers is a risk. As good as CK is, that makes me really nervous. Tehran I feel better about b/c of his chances to be an ace or really good 2.

I'd rather save money for Hewyard and potentially JUp (extend through his Bro's contract).

You can't extend everyone, and I feel the best about extending the position guys. They are less risky investments and they produced less frequently by the Braves.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Agree.

I feel like Minor is really good but replaceable. He just seems like the kind of guy the Braves produce consistently. IF he wants to do a team friendly deal, then great. Otherwise I think I'd go through Arb with him.

Extending pitchers is a risk. As good as CK is, that makes me really nervous. Tehran I feel better about b/c of his chances to be an ace or really good 2.

I'd rather save money for Hewyard and potentially JUp (extend through his Bro's contract).

You can't extend everyone, and I feel the best about extending the position guys. They are less risky investments and they produced less frequently by the Braves.
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I guess you and I have differencing opinions on Mike Minor. I think Mike Minor is a #1 or #2 starter and definitely worth being extended.
 
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