Tampa Bay Rays, Oakland Athletics, new stadiums, and expansion discussion

SJ24

SJ24

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Figured we needed a thread to talk about stadium issues and the impending expansion. Manfred has been pretty clear about wanting 32 teams.

So . . . do you guys think the Rays will work things out in Ybor? I hope so.

I think the Athletics will probably move much like the Raiders. Maybe to Vegas.

Who will the two expansion teams be? Lots of buzz about Portland (they have a group of investors with private cash to build a park) and Montreal lately.

Not to be overlooked: The Diamondbacks are probably getting a new stadium in Scottsdale.

And we all know about the Rangers new park being built next to JerryWorld in Arlington.
 
As long as they do it in such a way to get rid of interleague every day and leave the DH out of the NL I will be happy. I would love to see the Astros back in the NL but that's not happening. Btw, I would be fine using DH across the board in interleague and WS. Take away the whole argument.
 
A stadium in Scottsdale would be an absolutely ****ing joke, for several reasons.

The Diamondbacks are trying to pull a fast one on Maricopa County; even if they succeed, I highly doubt their new stadium goes into Scottsdale.
 
jpx7 said:
A stadium in Scottsdale would be an absolutely ****ing joke, for several reasons.
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Why?

The Diamondbacks are trying to pull a fast one on Maricopa County; even if they succeed, I highly doubt their new stadium goes into Scottsdale.
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That's the rumor- on some tribal land near their spring training site, IIRC.
 
So are Braves gonna start new trend of only using stadiums for 20 years then bye bye?

Texas is getting a new park as well. Now Arizona? Are Mariners gonna get rid of Safeco then in 5 years Giants gonna say bye bye to Pac Bell? Rockies too? This is absurd.
 
Forever Fredi said:
So are Braves gonna start new trend of only using stadiums for 20 years then bye bye?

Texas is getting a new park as well. Now Arizona? Are Mariners gonna get rid of Safeco then in 5 years Giants gonna say bye bye to Pac Bell? Rockies too? This is absurd.
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Giants fans would absolutely riot if they moved out of that beautiful park. I go to AT&T all the time and it’s an absolute baseball treasure.
 
chop2chip said:
Giants fans would absolutely riot if they moved out of that beautiful park. I go to AT&T all the time and it’s an absolute baseball treasure.
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I like Pac Bell. And I hope Baltimore doesn't replace Camden Yards either. Two "newer" but beautiful retro stadiums.
 
jpx7 said:
A stadium in Scottsdale would be an absolutely ****ing joke, for several reasons.

The Diamondbacks are trying to pull a fast one on Maricopa County; even if they succeed, I highly doubt their new stadium goes into Scottsdale.
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Yeah. there is no room in Scottsdale for a stadium, no way it ends up there. He's talking about Salt River area east of 101, which could make sense as a new location.
 
CyYoung31 said:
Now, why do the DBacks need a new stadium?
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Forever Fredi said:
There's nothing wrong with Bank One Ballpark.

Why do the DBacks need a new one?
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They don’t. But Maricopa County is low on funds; the Diamondbacks claim they’re late on some contractual maintenance to Chase; and the team is trying to use that confluence of events to grift into a new stadium.
 
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SJ24 said:
Why?

That's the rumor- on some tribal land near their spring training site, IIRC.
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auyushu said:
Yeah. there is no room in Scottsdale for a stadium, no way it ends up there. He's talking about Salt River area east of 101, which could make sense as a new location.
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I personally think Chase is already ideally situated: centrally located amongst the barely manageable sprawl of the metro, and just off the 10 but also accessible via surface streets like 7th; in a downtown that’s rapidly becoming a place to visit, as opposed to avoid; conveniently connected to the light rail, which everyone knows needs further expansion (and which would in turn alleviate traffic congestion after games).

Pillaging more Native land to export the Diamondbacks to some outlet mall hell, à la the Cardinals, is a terrible and utterly unnecessary idea—as is giving the team a dime of taxpayer money or tax-breaks to do it.
 
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jpx7 said:
I personally think Chase is already ideally situated: centrally located amongst the barely manageable sprawl of the metro, and just off the 10 but also accessible via surface streets like 7th; in a downtown that’s rapidly becoming a place to visit, as opposed to avoid; conveniently connected to the light rail, which everyone knows needs further expansion (and which would in turn alleviate traffic congestion after games).

Pillaging more Native land to export the Diamondbacks to some outlet mall hell, à la the Cardinals, is a terrible and utterly unnecessary idea—as is giving the team a dime of taxpayer money or tax-breaks to do it.
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The D-Backs would probably draw better in this rumored new stadium. These owners have armies of guys crunching numbers, making models, etc. to determine that.

So I don't agree that it's a terrible idea if they determine the move is the right thing to do.
 
Location is simply not the problem with the D-back’s draw.
 
From what I have been reading, it looks to me like there is increased pessimism about the A’s getting a stadium worked out in Oakland. The Rays seem to be giving the Ybor City site in Tampa a serious shot, so as of now, I think the A’s are a greater candidate to relocate. Las Vegas seems to be a highly rumored site with the success of the Golden Knights hockey team, on the ice and in the stands, only adding to it. I do think expansion will come as well. If/when that happens, Montreal is almost a slam dunk to get a team. I still do like the possibility of Portland getting the other. Though you can’t discount possibilities of Charlotte, Nashville, and Indianapolis. San Antonio has had a little discussion, but I don’t see that.

Should the above mentioned do happen, I foresee a major round of realignment. Both leagues to 16 teams and four divisions with four teams each. I also think a couple teams will change leagues. My idea has the Diamondbacks and Rays switching leagues.

National League:
East:
Mets
Phillies
Pirates
Expansion Expos

South:
Braves
Nationals
Rays
Marlins

North:
Cubs
Cardinals
Brewers
Reds

West:
Dodgers
Giants
Padres
Rockies

American League:
East:
Red Sox
Yankees
Blue Jays
Orioles

North:
Tigers
Indians
White Sox
Twins

South:
Astros
Rangers
Royals
Diamondbacks

West:
Angels
Athletics
Mariners
Portland Expansion Team
 
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