Oklahomahawk
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Here's one for you guys. Governor Abbott not looking so great lately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9AfsbEEsqU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9AfsbEEsqU
Texas elementary school shooting…
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Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
This meme was posted on Facebook by a friend of mine who is way more liberal than I'll ever be, but this doesn't look all that screwed up to me.
What do you guys think?
What do you guys think?
cajunrevenge
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I wouldn't hold your breath on anyone investigating that. Glad someone is asking the right questions though.
striker42
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This meme was posted on Facebook by a friend of mine who is way more liberal than I'll ever be, but this doesn't look all that screwed up to me.
What do you guys think?
The basis for everything with a car listed there is use on public roads. You can drive an untagged, untitled car without a license or insurance while blind on your own private property.
If you did regulate guns like that it probably would do little good to stop gun crime. Calls for regulations like these are not based on logic or evidence but on a false belief that all gun control measures are effective and will make people safer.
I want people to be smarter about gun control. Florida has seen good success with its red flag law. I'd like to see that rolled out more places. A law like that might have prevented Uvalde. It's something that actually targets a problem while not targeting responsible gun owners.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
1st sentence: I agree but if they catch you (and hopefully they'd be looking a little more/better, they might find that unlicensed/untitled car before the driver ran over somebody.
2nd sentence: Disagree, the main intent from the meme I posted is to get the authorities to check people more thoroughly and if they find somebody out of their homes with a gun maybe they'll show up before they kill somebody. I am 100% sure that you cannot collect all the guns in this country. Only law-abiding citizens would comply anyway. Also, that isn't what the meme says to me anyway. There isn't any way to stop all the gun violence but it seems to me that these rules would help some.
3rd sentence: To me the regulations in this meme would go along with the red flag warnings you mentioned. The more ways we "keep an eye on" people with guns shouldn't it be easier to catch a few more of these homicidal aholes before they shoot up another school, or church, etc.?
Jaw
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According to the federal government's own website for the Constitution, the law disagrees with you
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C16-1/ALDE_00001078/
Article I, Section 8, Clause 16:
[The Congress shall have Power . . . ] To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress; . . .
The power of Congress over the militia being unlimited, except in the two particulars of officering and training them . . . it may be exercised to any extent that may be deemed necessary by Congress. . . . The power of the state government to legislate on the same subjects, having existed prior to the formation of the Constitution, and not having been prohibited by that instrument, it remains with the States, subordinate nevertheless to the paramount law of the General Government. . . .1 Under the National Defense Act of 1916,2 the militia, which had been an almost purely state institution, was brought under the control of the National Government. The term militia of the United States was defined to comprehend all able-bodied male citizens of the United States and all other able-bodied males who have . . . declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, between the ages of eighteen and forty-five.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
This meme was posted on Facebook by a friend of mine who is way more liberal than I'll ever be, but this doesn't look all that screwed up to me.
What do you guys think?
I would ask your friend to show me what part of the Bill of Rights acknowledges the God given right to keep and operate a car.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
goldfly
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Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
I'm not sure but I'm wondering if the term "right" and the term "privilege" might be getting mixed up here. Both mean you CAN do something given certain caveats, but neither right nor privilege can exist (in my opinion anyway) without responsibilities being attached to them.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
The right to keep and bear arms without infringement is acknowledged in the BoR. The right to motorized transportation is not.
So until an acknowledgement of the right to operate automobiles is added to the BoR, infringing on automobile ownership and operation is irrelevant to the Constitution.
Infringement on the right to keep and bear arms is specifically prohibited by the Constitution. Like I've said, I think it should be updated, but we shouldn't want the government to enforce laws that directly violate the BoR just because amendments are hard. They're hard for a reason.
cajunrevenge
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Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
It isn't a right to belong to a militia, as shown by the law from 1916 quoted by the Constitution.gov website, it's a default.
The right of any citizen to own any weapon was understood until the two big government titans of the 20th century, FDR and J. Edgar Hoover, combined forces to limit those rights during the era of John Dillinger and Bonnie and Clyde with the 1934 NFA.
That's any weapon. Cannons from before the Continental Congress that could use grape or canister shot to turn everyone in a building into ground beef. Semi automatic (just like AR 15s) Girardoni air rifles that fired 20 shots of .46 caliber (larger round than AR 15) and more quietly than a modern squirrel gun equipped with a suppressor (that's subject to NFA background checks and tax.) Gatling guns from the 1860s. Tommy guns. For over 150 years, until J. Edgar decided to start shootouts in public with bank robbers, private citizens literally owned weapons that were just as capable, powerful, and destructive as anything the military had. And there's a reasonable argument that 1934 NFA would have been struck down if the Court hadn't been busy striking down King FDR's New Deal legislation, and then threatened by his attempt to pack the Court when he wasn't getting his way (hey, that sounds familiar.)
So your complaint about things changing in 1968, or whatever, isn't too impressive historically.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
You can travel without a car. Unlike artillery, bombs, semi automatic weapons, and grenades, motor vehicles weren't known when the Constitution was ratified.