The Adam Duv-awful Thread

striker42 said:
Duvall has far more than 43 PAs this year as a whole though. He has even more than that since the start of 2016. The fact remains that he's seeing his infield flies increasing while seeing his HR/FB decreasing. For a 30 year old, that's bad news.

Also of note is that Duvall is hitting just .194 on the season in 413 PAs. His OPS for the season is a pitiful .640.

Duvall is not good and is likely to be worse next year.
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He's "STARTED" a total of 8 games since he came over - that means that 30 of his ABs have come when he's seen more than 1 in the same day, and he's started back-to-back games exactly once. The SPs in those 8 games were...

Jason Vargas
Jefry Rodriguez
Tommy Milone
Wade Miley (shut the entire offense down that day)
Jose Urena (the day he drilled Acuna, Duvall replaced him - assuming you want to consider that one a start)
Kyle Freeland (shut the entire offense down on 3 hits before the pen blew it late)
Wei-Yin Chen (the day he had his best start in years and shut the entire offense down)
Mike Montgomery

He starts almost a game and a half per week, and in half of those games he's faced a no-name SP who has spun one of their best starts in recent memory for crying out loud.

Duvall has had so much less to do with this team losing games than the bullpen since he was acquired it's comical.
 
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clvclv said:
He's "STARTED" a total of 8 games since he came over - that means that 30 of his ABs have come when he's seen more than 1 in the same day, and he's started back-to-back games exactly once. The SPs in those 8 games were...

Jason Vargas
Jefry Rodriguez
Tommy Milone
Wade Miley (shut the entire offense down that day)
Jose Urena (the day he drilled Acuna, Duvall replaced him - assuming you want to consider that one a start)
Kyle Freeland (shut the entire offense down on 3 hits before the pen blew it late)
Wei-Yin Chen (the day he had his best start in years and shut the entire offense down)
Mike Montgomery

He starts almost a game and a half per week, and in half of those games he's faced a no-name SP who has spun one of their best starts in recent memory for crying out loud.

Duvall has had so much less to do with this team losing games than the bullpen since he was acquired it's comical.
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Then don't look at just what he's done since the trade. Look at his full season. It's pretty bad. When you look at some stats over the last few years, they're trending down. He's popping the ball up on the infield more and driving it less. That's not good for an extreme flyball hitter like Duvall.

Please, someone give me reasons to believe (Trademark Mark Bowman) that Duvall will be a good piece next year. Tell me why he's not going to continue his slide.
 
striker42 said:
Then don't look at just what he's done since the trade. Look at his full season. It's pretty bad. When you look at some stats over the last few years, they're trending down. He's popping the ball up on the infield more and driving it less. That's not good for an extreme flyball hitter like Duvall.

Please, someone give me reasons to believe (Trademark Mark Bowman) that Duvall will be a good piece next year. Tell me why he's not going to continue his slide.
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Quoting your thread-starting post...

Duvall is now 4 for 40 as a Brave. That's a .100 BA. But at least he's also shown no power (all 4 hits have been singles), poor plate discipline (just 3 BBs), and atrocious defense.

No one's claiming Duvall's an All-Star. No one's claiming he's even been solid. You referenced EXACTLY what he's done since the trade, then expanded it to say he's costing the team tons of games and needs to be cut loose - neither of which is true. He doesn't play enough for either of those statements to be true. Would they be in trouble if he were playing every day? Almost certainly. The same could be said of any player on any team who starts once a week.
 
clvclv said:
Quoting your thread-starting post...

Duvall is now 4 for 40 as a Brave. That's a .100 BA. But at least he's also shown no power (all 4 hits have been singles), poor plate discipline (just 3 BBs), and atrocious defense.

No one's claiming Duvall's an All-Star. No one's claiming he's even been solid. You referenced EXACTLY what he's done since the trade, then expanded it to say he's costing the team tons of games and needs to be cut loose - neither of which is true. He doesn't play enough for either of those statements to be true. Would they be in trouble if he were playing every day? Almost certainly. The same could be said of any player on any team who starts once a week.
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I said he's cost us probably two games. I'd put part of the blame for the meltdown against the Sox at his feet (terrible defense). I think if we have a competent player in right we win that game. Though, to be fair, there's plenty of blame to go around for that loss.

I don't have a specific second game in mind. Just memories of him failing in key situations and not being particularly stellar in the field.

If his playing time had been given to an actually good player, I think we have two more wins right now. Just my opinion. Considering hes not gotten a ton of playing time, he's actually been impressively bad.
 
striker42 said:
Duvall has far more than 43 PAs this year as a whole though. He has even more than that since the start of 2016. The fact remains that he's seeing his infield flies increasing while seeing his HR/FB decreasing. For a 30 year old, that's bad news.

Also of note is that Duvall is hitting just .194 on the season in 413 PAs. His OPS for the season is a pitiful .640.

Duvall is not good and is likely to be worse next year.
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Possibly, or more likely that he's in a cold snap.

Duvall should and will lose power. That's a given. Luckily, he's an arb player who we can let go. As it is he's a righty with power, which we have one on the team right now. He'll be gone after next season most likely as his price tag out paces his usefulness, but for now we have a guy who's a 1-2 WAR player a righty with power, and he's pretty cheap and should stay cheap next year given his age/profile.
 
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If being better in the past means the player will be just as good now then we need to get Hank Aaron to suit up.
 
striker42 said:
Absolutely. He's not a sub .100 hitter and isn't the pathetic fielder he's been here.

I just think he's probably not a major league quality player anymore.
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Before coming here he had a 100 WRC+ against lefties (down from what hes done previous but still way better than Ender) and the top rated defender in left. He has a role on a major league roster even if he hasn't played like one here.
 
What I didn't paticularly like about the at-bat Friday nite is that he takes a definite strike three and then bitches about it. There is less to like every time I see him.
 
striker42 said:
I said he's cost us probably two games. I'd put part of the blame for the meltdown against the Sox at his feet (terrible defense). I think if we have a competent player in right we win that game. Though, to be fair, there's plenty of blame to go around for that loss.

I don't have a specific second game in mind. Just memories of him failing in key situations and not being particularly stellar in the field.

If his playing time had been given to an actually good player, I think we have two more wins right now. Just my opinion. Considering hes not gotten a ton of playing time, he's actually been impressively bad.
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No, you said what was in bold. You said other things much later.

BTW, Freddie was 10 for his last 60-something before his two hits tonight, maybe those ABs should've gone to him since he's a "good player" - they'd have won those two games.
 
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zitothebrave said:
THis thread is the most striker thread ever. Only thing missing is complaining about refs and Mark Richt.
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Hey, I liked Richt. I complained about the coordinators.

Ultimately this thread took off more than intended. Duvall is annoyingly bad and has hurt Ys but it looks like he's been relegated to the end of the bench. This is nothing like my hatred of Derek Lowe though.
 
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