The Biden Presidency
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cajunrevenge
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Tapate50
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Rough clip.
Is he saying he’d used f15s and nuclear weapons against his own people ?
He knows automatic weapons aren’t the culprits here right ?
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
This nails it.
McCann'sCans
Gwinnett Bound
It's weird how much steam this meme seems to be catching when it is so obviously a false equivalence. I'm also not sure why Biden saying 'anyone taking over America would likely need an army' is a controversial statement worth talking about, but let's dive in for fun.
No one was worried that the American government was actually going to be overthrown on January 6th, and Biden is correct that a bunch of ranchers with guns are unlikely to ever pose a threat to take over America- this isn't 1776. I don't think anyone here would doubt that the Capitol Police alone- much less the full force of the American military- could have pretty easily decimated a couple thousand MAGA idiots that day if they had needed to.
Just because America is unlikely to be taken over by a random militia of Americans doesn't mean it isn't significant that a few thousand people decided to try to stop the democratic process because of lies they were fed by people in power.
No one was worried that the American government was actually going to be overthrown on January 6th, and Biden is correct that a bunch of ranchers with guns are unlikely to ever pose a threat to take over America- this isn't 1776. I don't think anyone here would doubt that the Capitol Police alone- much less the full force of the American military- could have pretty easily decimated a couple thousand MAGA idiots that day if they had needed to.
Just because America is unlikely to be taken over by a random militia of Americans doesn't mean it isn't significant that a few thousand people decided to try to stop the democratic process because of lies they were fed by people in power.
sturg33
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"You and what f15s" isn't as catchy "you and what army" King George was fond of saying.
Trying to imagine which impeachment trial we'd be on if trump said the same thing
sturg33
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1. Our amazing military is still in Afghanistan 20 years later
2. Vietnam says hi
3. I agree the capitol police was quite capable of handling the great pepper spray insurrection of 2021
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Okay, they attacked police. Certainly that's law breaking and bad and should be punished, but I would think we would all be desensitized to it after seeing so very much of that during The Summer of Peaceful Protests. I mean, some of those peaceful protesters were peacefully shooting fireworks at cops. But again, it was bad.
Next, they went into the Capitol. Trespassing. Definitely illegal, no argument there. Just like breaking windows and doors down to trespass in closed stores during the mostly peaceful protests prior to looting was bad.
So far, I think reasonable people can agree that insurrection hasn't happened, right? Otherwise we would have seen breathless reports of insurrection on all of the networks all Summer long, and totally not political generals and admirals would be talking about the dangers of BLM Rage.
So, what happened next? What did they do that was insurrection after the now routine acts of attacking cops with improvised weapons and trespassing. Trespassing, I would add, that occurred on public property where they at least have some ownership interest, unlike at Target or Best Buy.
The answer to this is usually "they were trying to influence the politicians." Cool, cool. What are those protesters doing marching and chanting and blocking traffic and sweating in the heat if they aren't trying to influence the politicians?
It's silly to call that unauthorized tour of the Capitol an insurrection. It's dishonest to do it while defending the Summer incidents as mostly peaceful protests.
Next, they went into the Capitol. Trespassing. Definitely illegal, no argument there. Just like breaking windows and doors down to trespass in closed stores during the mostly peaceful protests prior to looting was bad.
So far, I think reasonable people can agree that insurrection hasn't happened, right? Otherwise we would have seen breathless reports of insurrection on all of the networks all Summer long, and totally not political generals and admirals would be talking about the dangers of BLM Rage.
So, what happened next? What did they do that was insurrection after the now routine acts of attacking cops with improvised weapons and trespassing. Trespassing, I would add, that occurred on public property where they at least have some ownership interest, unlike at Target or Best Buy.
The answer to this is usually "they were trying to influence the politicians." Cool, cool. What are those protesters doing marching and chanting and blocking traffic and sweating in the heat if they aren't trying to influence the politicians?
It's silly to call that unauthorized tour of the Capitol an insurrection. It's dishonest to do it while defending the Summer incidents as mostly peaceful protests.
McCann'sCans
Gwinnett Bound
So first of all, we can agree that things like arson, looting, or really any form of violence against cops or otherwise is unwarranted and should not be part of any protest. I think that is probably where the agreement ends. A couple of key differences that make this another false equivalency.
1) Given our agreement on the above, we can denounce incidents of violence that occurred in either set of protests. There were nearly 8,000 demonstrations across 2,400 different locations last summer, and 93% had no incidents of violence and no arrests. I went to at least a dozen of them and never saw any acts of violence or vandalism. I am perfectly fine denouncing the 7% that included violence just as I denounce what happened on 1/6.
2) 1/6 was based on a lie that encouraged Americans to stop democracy at work- it was a powerful man who was desperate to cling to power and decided to use pawns to do it. The protests over the summer were based on actual events and a history of systemic issues in our country that people want to change. One group was looking to preserve the status quo and prevent the country from moving forward, and one group was trying to encourage the country to improve. I am confident that you'll disagree that these systemic issues exist, so we'll probably have to agree to disagree on this point.
3) There were 14,000 arrests over the summer. It's not like we just decided to turn a blind eye and let people get away with whatever they wanted to get away with.
At the end of the day, I don't think it's any harder to spot the differences than it is to spot the similarities.
But regardless, here is what happened on 1/6: a mob- including many self-proclaimed militia members- took over the Capitol to try to stop the democratic process. They walked around talking about killing the vice president. They beat up and ultimately killed cops with flag poles and clubs and whatever else they could find. They left behind pipe bombs on Capitol hill. Why can't we agree that this is a very bad thing, full stop? Why does it have to be compared to anything else?
1) Given our agreement on the above, we can denounce incidents of violence that occurred in either set of protests. There were nearly 8,000 demonstrations across 2,400 different locations last summer, and 93% had no incidents of violence and no arrests. I went to at least a dozen of them and never saw any acts of violence or vandalism. I am perfectly fine denouncing the 7% that included violence just as I denounce what happened on 1/6.
2) 1/6 was based on a lie that encouraged Americans to stop democracy at work- it was a powerful man who was desperate to cling to power and decided to use pawns to do it. The protests over the summer were based on actual events and a history of systemic issues in our country that people want to change. One group was looking to preserve the status quo and prevent the country from moving forward, and one group was trying to encourage the country to improve. I am confident that you'll disagree that these systemic issues exist, so we'll probably have to agree to disagree on this point.
3) There were 14,000 arrests over the summer. It's not like we just decided to turn a blind eye and let people get away with whatever they wanted to get away with.
At the end of the day, I don't think it's any harder to spot the differences than it is to spot the similarities.
But regardless, here is what happened on 1/6: a mob- including many self-proclaimed militia members- took over the Capitol to try to stop the democratic process. They walked around talking about killing the vice president. They beat up and ultimately killed cops with flag poles and clubs and whatever else they could find. They left behind pipe bombs on Capitol hill. Why can't we agree that this is a very bad thing, full stop? Why does it have to be compared to anything else?
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
With pepper spray. Your logic here is this was insurrection because they thought they would intimidate the #2 of the most powerful country in history...with pepper spray. Oh and one guy had a gun.
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Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
What actions did they take to stop Pence from certifying the vote? Besides touring the Capitol and crapping in the floor and stealing an envelope I mean?
McCann'sCans
Gwinnett Bound
McCann'sCans
Gwinnett Bound
20 people go to rob a bank. They post on Facebook about heading out to rob the bank. They drive to the bank on the day that the bank is supposed to have the most money. They arrive at the bank and- while inside- talk about how fun it's going to be to rob the bank. One of them hits a cop in the face repeatedly with a flag pole.
But, it turns out the bank moved all of the money before they got there, so they grab some blank deposit slips and some loose pens and drive home. Are they now absolved of any wrongdoing because all most of them did was walk around inside a bank and take some useless stuff?
But, it turns out the bank moved all of the money before they got there, so they grab some blank deposit slips and some loose pens and drive home. Are they now absolved of any wrongdoing because all most of them did was walk around inside a bank and take some useless stuff?