The Biden Presidency

mqt said:
Brother, you’re missing the important context where Jaw is imagining a world where this is possible for people to choose to do this, as is already closely approximated by birth control. I don’t think Jaw is advocating we forcefully sterilize people.
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I’m getting his stance. I’m being as radical in these example as the pro life people but putting the burden on males instead of females

It was talked about in regards to sexual assault/rapes and that females who get pregnant from said vicious acts

Well, we don't have to put the female into a choice cause of someone’s other actions. If we care about life and unwanted pregnancies, put the burden on the male population instead


Instead said people are always going after women.
 
zbhargrove said:
No you're talking (badly) about the law... I'm talking philosophically because you obviously have some very bizarre takes on the matter.

At 2 grains of rice, is the fetus human?
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Lol

Is 2 grains of rice a fetus or human? No, it seems you have 2 fetus now and could have twins

And you’re telling me I’m talking about this poorly lol
 
zbhargrove said:
Getting pregnant is a choice... that's not forcing a medical procedure on someone...
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That’s totally not true

But pregnancy/giving birth is a medical procedure

Your attempt to be Socrates and flossing intellectually about how you view pregnancy is irrelevant
 
goldfly said:
Lol

Is 2 grains of rice a fetus or human? No, it seems you have 2 fetus now and could have twins

And you’re telling me I’m talking about this poorly lol
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The size of two grains of rice you dolt... I'm trying to figure out how many grains of rice we need to go from fetus to human... you seem to be the expert so I'm waiting...
 
Defending the right of a defenseless and innocent human to not be slaughtered to death is not "going after women"

telling your mind thinks of it as such
 
goldfly said:
I’m getting his stance. I’m being as radical in these example as the pro life people but putting the burden on males instead of females

It was talked about in regards to sexual assault/rapes and that females who get pregnant from said vicious acts

Well, we don't have to put the female into a choice cause of someone’s other actions. If we care about life and unwanted pregnancies, put the burden on the male population instead


Instead said people are always going after women.
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You’re painfully missing the point. Jaw and I have basically (I think) come to an understanding that neither of us want suffering for any woman. He holds the opinion that life starts at conception, I do not. Given that these two stances cannot be reconciled, we discussed some hypotheticals. He agreed that despite his objections to things such as the morning after pill, that in a world where women could take a magical pill to not have to worry about an unwanted pregnancy, that this would be preferable to our current situation where women are forced to either have an abortion (against his side) or carry their assaulter’s child to term (against my side). Putting it on the man is irrelevant here because as I stated regarding condoms, the rapist doesn’t care.

As a more general point on society, I fully agree that men should be held to account in these discussions. This just isn’t the time for that.
 
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zbhargrove said:
If the woman was not raped and they didn't properly use protection, then is most certainly is a choice... whether directly or indirectly...

If being pregnant was a problem, guess someone shouldn't have had sex...
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Done with you if you just outright think pregnancy is a choice

You shouldn’t be taken seriously on the matter moving forward
 
sturg33 said:
Defending the right of a defenseless and innocent human to not be slaughtered to death is not "going after women"

telling your mind thinks of it as such
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Still haven’t gotten your thoughts on the grain of salt with a tail being a human yet

But it seems you are trying to say it is
 
goldfly said:
Still haven’t gotten your thoughts on the grain of salt with a tail being a human yet

But it seems you are trying to say it is
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If it has human DNA it is a human

Now its your turn to tell us whylen goldy would no longer support aborting the pregnancy
 
mqt said:
You’re painfully missing the point. Jaw and I have basically (I think) come to an understanding that neither of us want suffering for any woman. He holds the opinion that life starts at conception, I do not. Given that these two stances cannot be reconciled, we discussed some hypotheticals. He agreed that despite his objections to things such as the morning after pill, that in a world where women could take a magical pill to not have to worry about an unwanted pregnancy, that this would be preferable to our current situation where women are forced to either have an abortion (against his side) or carry their assaulter’s child to term (against my side). Putting it on the man is irrelevant here because as I stated regarding condoms, the rapist doesn’t care.

As a more general point on society, I fully agree that men should be held to account in these discussions. This just isn’t the time for that.
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His first post once this law was passed was that the law of 6 weeks was too late and the fines not enough

I don’t agree with your stance that he “doesn’t want any suffering of women”



Thus my issue


But I digress
And my radical example of forcing males to do reversible procedures was to protect women from rapists. Thus why I used parallel to show no one wants medical procedures done against their will etc
 
I once again ask when goldy would no longer support aborting the pregnancy

(this is the part - for the third time - he won't answer)
 
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