The Biden Presidency

sturg33 said:
I understand that it's a loser electorally, but what is the end game here?

The math is the math. This cannot function forever. Why does acknowledging these facts make you unelectable?

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you never did take the advice to learn the custodians name that cleaned the bathrooms at your office, did you ?

" you never turned around to see the frowns
on the judges and the clowns when they all did
tricks for you "

funny thing is, we are all just one bad break away
 
We are funding endless wars overseas and enriching communist dictatorship and the response is to cut social security? We have a new aristocracy that is living better than kings did hundreds of years ago.

And we wonder why the left wins.

There is one candidate on the right that will never touch social security and cares about ALL Americans.
 
sturg33 said:
Shouldn't be surprised.

Carry on with the ponzi scheme then
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You continue to make the same mistake all Libertarians do. You let your own personal experience shape too much of your economic policy.

Just try to reconcile the fact that you are more outraged at supporting Americans than trading with the CCP. Thats not right bud....
 
thethe said:
You continue to make the same mistake all Libertarians do. You let your own personal experience shape too much of your economic policy.
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That you are too illiterate to understand how awful of a policy this is is not a libertarian problem

That trump won't entertain not continuing a bad policy is yet another reason not to support him

Social security robs young people of their wealth opportunities against their will. It is a literal ponzi scheme that is not sustainable, like all other ponzi schemes
 
sturg33 said:
That you are too illiterate to understand how awful of a policy this is is not a libertarian problem

That trump won't entertain not continuing a bad policy is yet another reason not to support him

Social security robs young people of their wealth opportunities against their will. It is a literal ponzi scheme that is not sustainable, like all other ponzi schemes
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Well now i know why youi are about to turn the other cheek on Desantis being a war hawk. He has also repeatedly voted to slash medicare and social security.
 
thethe said:
Well now i know why youi are about to turn the other cheek on Desantis being a war hawk. He has also repeatedly voted to slash medicare and social security.
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Oh sorry I thought DeSantis was a pedophile. Trump told me so!

I did not know that about DeSantis on wanting to end failed programs.

Good for him
 
sturg33 said:
Lol you have become a leftist in your debating tactics.

I can walk and chew gum.

Your solutions to china aren't feasible and don't work... As we have seen

Results on the field and all that jazz...
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They don't work? Says who?

How long of a runway until the establishment class that beneifts from sending money tot he CCP writes a synoposis saying it isn't helpful?
 
sturg33 said:
Oh sorry I thought DeSantis was a pedophile. Trump told me so!

I did not know that about DeSantis on wanting to end failed programs.

Good for him
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Well you should learn about Desantis voting history then because its all there to know he won't hesitate to launch another war.
 
thethe said:
They don't work? Says who?

How long of a runway until the establishment class that beneifts from sending money tot he CCP writes a synoposis saying it isn't helpful?
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Well,

Trump's retarded tarrifs resulted in a bigger trade deficit, more money for CCP, and higher prices for Americans

Great job!!
 
sturg33 said:
Well,

Trump's retarded tarrifs resulted in a bigger trade deficit, more money for CCP, and higher prices for Americans

Great job!!
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More money for the CCP? Oh Jeez man - This is hilariously wrong and of course you would know that a policy like this would have impact in the future on not the tail on existing sales. But you can continue to warp the figures to support your position where its better to fund the CCP than support Americans.

THats why for the most party Libertarians are a joke. Its another iteration of the 'expert' class that swears by their teachings but cant understand how it doesn't work in practice.
 
sturg33 said:
Hopefully he doesn't hire a war hawk like John Bolton. That would really concern me
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The soliders are irrelevant. ITs about the PERSON making the decision.

But again - You completely ignore your once non-negotiable position. What else are you willing to cave on moving forward?
 
thethe said:
The soliders are irrelevant. ITs about the PERSON making the decision.

But again - You completely ignore your once non-negotiable position. What else are you willing to cave on moving forward?
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Let me make a few things clear to you.

1. Domestic policy is the most important thing to me. Fiscal policy, personal liberty, education, not mutilating children

2. COVID changed my priorities... A LOT. It was the biggest assault of American liberty since slavery

3. Trump did not start any new wars. That was amazing. He also did not end any. That sucked. Every time he tried he bent over to the establishment. I haven't voted for anyone in 2024 and. Would expect to hear what all candidates have to say on the foreign policy before writing any checks

4. Social security is a failed policy. Figuring out a strategic way to end it IS helping Americans . Much like I want to dismantle the department of education. A leftist would scream "you care more about the CCP than helping children?!?!!" And I would respond that dismantling the failed dept of education IS helping children

5. Free trade with other countries is the best way to help Americans quality of life. I wish we would try this policy again one day

My number one entire focus is helping Americans. It is clear you are unable to think past tomorrow
 
sturg33 said:
Let me make a few things clear to you.

1. Domestic policy is the most important thing to me. Fiscal policy, personal liberty, education, not mutilating children

2. COVID changed my priorities... A LOT. It was the biggest assault of American liberty since slavery

3. Trump did not start any new wars. That was amazing. He also did not end any. That sucked. Every time he tried he bent over to the establishment. I haven't voted for anyone in 2024 and. Would expect to hear what all candidates have to say on the foreign policy before writing any checks

4. Social security is a failed policy. Figuring out a strategic way to end it IS helping Americans . Much like I want to dismantle the department of education. A leftist would scream "you care more about the CCP than helping children?!?!!" And I would respond that dismantling the failed dept of education IS helping children

5. Free trade with other countries is the best way to help Americans quality of life. I wish we would try this policy again one day

My number one entire focus is helping Americans. It is clear you are unable to think past tomorrow
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1 - All immensely important but all the symptoms of a rotted society and a lot of that can be traced the hopelessness that many people face in the new economy (I know its hard for people like you and me to understand that because of our personal situations)

2 - Cannot agree more with this

3 - He effectively ended Afghanistan and most sensible know that

4 - You are helping those that are able to help themselves. Your blind spot, as it is with all Libertarians, are that hte majority of people can't help themselves. So what then?

5 - We don't have free trade with a communist dictatorship that completely destroys the market prices with slave labor. You know that and continue to pretend we have anything close to free trade. Just admit you are comfortable with slave labor and just want the lowest most 'efficient' prices possible.


My number one focus is helping Americans as well. You just don't understand and continue to never understand that most people can't help themselves in a way to keep up with the changing world. Just discard them? And you think this is going to help the social issues?
 
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Weird how nobody cares about school shootings as long as its not a white person doing it.
 
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Discarding these people and pretending there is no fallout is a dangerous proposition.
 
Do you know the mechanics of social security?

The government taxes your income 12.4% for your entire life.

They take that money and give it to seniors who are retired.

This is not a voluntary choice. It is forced against all people's wills.

The returns on this theft are dreadful. It does. To come close to keeping up with inflation. And it is downright depressing that returns that standard market returns would provide

It is theft and keeps people dependent on the government.

And that's before even acknoledging that it is a ponzi scheme that will run out of money. Especially as our population is no longer growing, it is guaranteed to collapse.

My goal is to strategically fix this system so that:

1. Americans aren't stolen from the day they start working

2. Americans can enrich their lives with substantially better options

3. Older Americans don't get screwed when the money runs out

I guess that makes me a dumb ol libertarian though!
 
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