the CIA torture report is sickening

[goldfly]

sickening on many levels but the most sickening is the only person in jail for all of that is the whistleblower of the heinous program that should never been allowed because of the morals i thought we held as a country

I guess we can drop the act about freedom and all the other platitudes we preach to the world and middle east finally now.

Free John Kiriakou right now!!

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/12/09/world/cia-torture-report-document.html?_r=0

 

[thethe]

I wish we didn't live in a world where (A) torture exists and (B) the need for torturing didn't exist

 

[Tomahawking4life]

I wish we didn't live in a world where (A) torture exists and (B) the need for torturing didn't exist

Amen

 

[goldfly]

I wish we didn't live in a world where (A) torture exists and (B) the need for torturing didn't exist

if you read any part of that report

you should be ashamed for writing such a sentence

 

[sturg33]

I wish we didn't live in a world where (A) torture exists and (B) the need for torturing didn't exist

There's that justification again...

 

[thethe]

There's that justification again...

What can I say. I'm not proud of the fact that I think its a necessary evil. There are a lot of evil people out there who want to harm us. Sometimes the information they have is essential to protecting the lives of many more.

 

[thethe]

if you read any part of that report

you should be ashamed for writing such a sentence

I don't even need to read the report to be ashamed of the fact that I think torture is a necessary evil.

 

[goldfly]

I don't even need to read the report to be ashamed of the fact that I think torture is a necessary evil.

what a joke

btw:

Perhaps most insidiously, the report concludes, these methods of extreme torture proved ineffective in collecting actionable intelligence.

from the report

 

[Garmel]

Basically, I don't think anything that we do to our own soldiers is torture. Living close to a military base I know many who've been waterboarded. I can't find one that thinks it is torture.

 

[Garmel]

what a joke

btw:

from the report

Many in the CIA think differently. Waterboarding is effective.

 

[Julio3000]

ineffective in collecting actionable intelligence

Why is this part so difficult for people to understand?

 

[Garmel]

Why is this part so difficult for people to understand?

Because it's bull****.

 

[sturg33]

What can I say. I'm not proud of the fact that I think its a necessary evil. There are a lot of evil people out there who want to harm us. Sometimes the information they have is essential to protecting the lives of many more.

Hard to imagine why people hate us

 

[goldfly]

Why is this part so difficult for people to understand?

cause we are talking to people who don't care about facts

 

[goldfly]

“Within days of the raid on UBL’s compound, CIA officials represented that CIA detainees provided the ‘tipoff’ information on Abu Ahmad al-Kuwaiti. A review of CIA records found that the initial intelligence obtained, as well as the information the CIA identified as the most critical — or the most valuable — on Abu Ahmad al-Kuwaiti, was not related to the use of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques.”

“A review of CIA operational cables and other CIA records found that the use of the CIA’s enhanced interrogation techniques played no role in the identification of ‘Jose Padilla’ or the thwarting of the Dirty Bomb or Tall Buildings plotting.”

“Iyman Faris was identified, investigated, and linked directly to al-Qa’ida prior to any mention of Iyman Faris by KSM or any other CIA detainee. When approached by law enforcement, Iyman Faris voluntarily provided information and made self-incriminating statements.”

The information Abu Zubaydah provided while being subjected to the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques was described by CIA interrogators as ‘significant new details.’ However, the information provided by Abu Zubaydah was similar to information Abu Zubaydah provided prior to the application of the CIA’s enhanced interrogation techniques, or was otherwise already known to the CIA.”

“Contrary to CIA representations, there are no CIA records to support the assertion that Abu Zubaydah, Ramzi bin al-Shibh, or any other CIA detainee played any role in the ‘the planning and execution of the operation that captured Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.'”

etc etc etc etc etc

but hey, "IT WORKS!!!!!"

 

[gilesfan]

if you read any part of that report

you should be ashamed for writing such a sentence

If you linked the report you are referring to, it would be easy to read.

 

[Julio3000]

Because it's bull****.

Hmm. Ok.

If you'd care to try again, with some substance, I'll play.

 

[Garmel]

Hmm. Ok.

If you'd care to try again, with some substance, I'll play.

http://www.today.com/id/42880435/ns...erboarding-aided-bin-laden-raid/#.VIdElslNdmM

 

[goldfly]

http://www.today.com/id/42880435/ns...erboarding-aided-bin-laden-raid/#.VIdElslNdmM

the first quote i posted from the report covers that and found it not to be true:

“Within days of the raid on UBL’s compound, CIA officials represented that CIA detainees provided the ‘tipoff’ information on Abu Ahmad al-Kuwaiti. A review of CIA records found that the initial intelligence obtained, as well as the information the CIA identified as the most critical — or the most valuable — on Abu Ahmad al-Kuwaiti, was not related to the use of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques.”

 

[Julio3000]

http://www.today.com/id/42880435/ns...erboarding-aided-bin-laden-raid/#.VIdElslNdmM

Jesus. That got crushed, like, immediately. At the time. That was someone in the CIA's CYA.

OK. More?