The Coronavirus, not the beer

nsacpi said:
Two things to consider.

1) Men and women have different mortality rates. So you would want to disaggregate by sex and take that into account.

2) It is better to go year by year than 10 year buckets. My guess is 59 year olds have worse outcomes than 50 year olds (both vaccinated and unvaccinated). And more 59 year olds are vaccinated than 50 year olds. Rinse and repeat for every 10 year bucket. So if you have the data by year and sex that will give you better comparisons than going by 10 year buckets with both sexes included.

see graph below which does both

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Interesting that the errors bars are much larger on unvaccinated. I wonder why that is.

What’s the Y variable? Is it just deaths? Or specifically C19 cause of deaths.

I think there is compelling evidence that vaccine’s prevented worse outcomes. I think the extent of that is exaggerated, but there’s a correlation for sure (just as there is compelling evidence of side effects). I’m sympathetic to concerns by this specific type of anti-vaxxer, but it’s a little pedantic to say the vaccines do nothing.
 
chop2chip said:
What’s the Y variable? Is it just deaths? Or specifically C19 cause of deaths.
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according to the person who posted the graphic:

Those vaccinated had a significantly lower rate of death involving COVID-19 for both males and females in April and May (4/6)
 
chop2chip said:
I think there is compelling evidence that vaccine’s prevented worse outcomes. I think the extent of that is exaggerated, but there’s a correlation for sure (just as there is compelling evidence of side effects). I’m sympathetic to concerns by this specific type of anti-vaxxer, but it’s a little pedantic to say the vaccines do nothing.
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I think by now a large proportion of people have had covid. This should drive the difference in outcomes between the vaccinated and unvaccinated to a lower level than was the case earlier in the pandemic.

Also outcomes are less severe with the rise of omicron.

It is interesting that even with these considerations the death rate is twice as high among the unvaccinated.

Another interesting thing is that the vaccinated in this sample include a broad range from those who maybe have had as few as one shot over a year ago to the recently boosted. Even when using a heterogeneous group as your sample of vaccinated people you still get a striking difference in death rates.
 
It is baffling to me that there there are still people here who defend the vaccine mandates

Even with the benefits of hindsight... they can't admit they were wrong
 
sturg33 said:
It is baffling to me that there there are still people here who defend the vaccine mandates

Even with the benefits of hindsight... they can't admit they were wrong
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I've always been in favor of people being free to explore the delights of natural immunity in the privacy of their homes. Even when more deadly variants such as delta were predominant. I strongly defended people's rights to do this. I did object to the socialization of the costs involved in exploring such delights.

I think Delta (the airline) had the best approach. They docked workers who chose to remain unvaccinated (I believe it was a hundred bucks per month). This covered the extra costs of healthcare for those who made that choice and had the salubrious effect of achieving a high vaccination rate. No compulsion. But strong financial incentives.
 
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I remember you celebrating when a braves coach was fired.

Celebrated health care workers fired.

Celebrated the military men fired

All for a shot that literally does NOTHING to stop the spread. Literally nothing

You're a piece of ****, in case you forgot. And a scared little bitch (but I doubt you forgot that)
 
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Pandemic of the vaccinated. More jabs you take the weaker your immune system is...
 
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Recent studies have shown that vaxed and boosted hold the viral loads for longer periods of time.

Almost like its intentional.
 
Runnin said:
Illegals and poor people with no insurance are certainly not going to get tested for fear of being quarantined and deported.
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Boy was this off base as hell. I still don’t get how someone living in Japan assumes they know what society in every day America is like

Maybe via memes ?
 
thethe said:
Putting an obstruction over their mouth so they have a dirty piece of cloth is at the very worst unhygienic.

Then the psychology of not being able to see your friends smile or react to you. The idea of not seeing mouths move for toddlers to learn language.

This is basic psychology and the fact you are arguing against it being child abuse is very strange to me.
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9/20/21
 
striker42 said:
Not at all. We know way more about how mRNA works than we do about COVID. This isn't a vaccine that's 1 year in the making, it's a vaccine 30 years in the making. We know the processes of what happens when we inject someone with mRNA.

We still have no clue why some people get asymptomatic COVID and why others die. We're just now starting to see long term effects to the brain.

There aren't nearly as many unknowns with the vaccine as you seem to think there are. There are still a lot of unknowns with Covid.
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Never forget these gems....
 
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