The Coronavirus, not the beer

Andrew Cuomo added Jim Dolan and Jeff Wilpon to his NY re-opening advisory board. Comforting to know that two guys on the Mount Rushmore of horrible decision makers are helping to make an enormously important decision. My fellow NJ'ers should head to the border and start building a wall...
 
681 new cases and 107 new deaths in Sweden. New cases are down from a week ago at this time, but still over the average for the last few weeks. New deaths have fallen dramatically from recent weeks which is awesome for them.
 
Their lives are consumed by every word the OM says.

Hope you're doing well down there

It’s going ok. We aren’t reopening in any way (which is likely a good thing for now, we are probably two weeks from that being feasible... maybe 4) but traffic on the roads has sure increased since last week.

We got together with some friends in the neighborhood for someone’s birthday last night all sitting in our golf carts 6 feet apart. It was needed honestly. May take my kids fishing this am before this storm comes. Seems like a lot of people are ready to say F it and just get exposed at this point. Small sample size alert applies. Hospital seems to be leveling off... admitting 4-8 new cases a day at last count. Still the deaths seem to have slowed. We opened a non Covid temporary care facility with the help of the State.

You aren’t wrong on the trump stuff. I can’t remember the last time I watched a live press conference that wasn’t in relation to some terror episode or something shocking. Most of them don’t affect my life in the least. If I missed something important, I’m sure some site will put up an edited video I can watch to slant my thoughts on anything I missed.

It’s amazing how much free time people have invested in this thread and not something more fruitful. No one has changed much opinion with all that posting that I can tell.

I really need some freaking baseball tbh. Something. A light at the end of the tunnel as far as sports or the beaches opening would be awesome
 
It’s going ok. We aren’t reopening in any way (which is likely a good thing for now, we are probably two weeks from that being feasible... maybe 4) but traffic on the roads has sure increased since last week.

We got together with some friends in the neighborhood for someone’s birthday last night all sitting in our golf carts 6 feet apart. It was needed honestly. May take my kids fishing this am before this storm comes. Seems like a lot of people are ready to say F it and just get exposed at this point. Small sample size alert applies. Hospital seems to be leveling off... admitting 4-8 new cases a day at last count. Still the deaths seem to have slowed. We opened a non Covid temporary care facility with the help of the State.

You aren’t wrong on the trump stuff. I can’t remember the last time I watched a live press conference that wasn’t in relation to some terror episode or something shocking. Most of them don’t affect my life in the least. If I missed something important, I’m sure some site will put up an edited video I can watch to slant my thoughts on anything I missed.

It’s amazing how much free time people have invested in this thread and not something more fruitful. No one has changed much opinion with all that posting that I can tell.

I really need some freaking baseball tbh. Something. A light at the end of the tunnel as far as sports or the beaches opening would be awesome

I've been learning 3 languages + coding while holed up in my house for the last month+.

Ive also watched about 50 movies, and have been binging HOUSE MD so i can find a cure.

I think you think I spend more time on this site than I actually do. Me taking a 30 minute break from too much language learning and posting here is not an indicator I spend as much time on here as say thethe.

My birthday was yesterday and I went out for an hour to pick up this great gift from a friend of mine.

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Most uneventful bday ever.
 
yes the outrage

oh wait, that's number 2 in a 3 tweet thread

i'm shocked that the 2 people who try to say fake news all the time and lies from the media are the enemy of the people would try to do such a thing in misrepresenting a singular tweet


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there is the whole statement about what was going on

not that it matters with you two.

Like I said, every single step of the way, you have defended the state.
 
Total deaths in seven states that have been hard hit by the coronavirus pandemic are nearly 50 percent higher than normal for the five weeks from March 8 through April 11, according to new death statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That is 9,000 more deaths than were reported as of April 11 in official counts of deaths from the coronavirus.

The new data is partial and most likely undercounts the recent death toll significantly. But it still illustrates how the coronavirus is causing a surge in deaths in the places it has struck, probably killing more people than the reported statistics capture. These increases belie arguments that the virus is only killing people who would have died anyway from other causes. Instead, the virus has brought a pattern of deaths unlike anything seen in recent years.

In New York City, the home of the biggest outbreak, the number of deaths over this period is more than three times the normal number. (Recent data suggests it could have reached six times higher than normal.)

It’s difficult to know whether the differences between excess deaths and the official counts of coronavirus deaths reflect an undercounting of coronavirus deaths or a surge in deaths from other causes. It’s probably a mix of both.

There is also increasing evidence that stresses on the health care system and fears about catching the disease have caused some Americans to die from ailments that are typically treatable. A recent draft paper found that hospital admissions for a major type of heart attack fell by 38 percent in nine major U.S. hospitals in March. In a normal year, cardiovascular disease is the country’s leading cause of death.

Some causes of death may actually be going down. There appear to be fewer road fatalities in California, as more U.S. residents stay at home, for example. It is possible that those reductions could cancel out coronavirus deaths in places where the virus is not yet widespread. But, in many states, any such reductions have been clearly outweighed by increases in deaths directly and indirectly related to the virus.

Demographers often use measures of total deaths, sometimes called all-cause mortality, to evaluate the effects of natural disasters, where it can be difficult to trace particular causes.

In Puerto Rico in 2017, only 64 deaths were initially attributed to Hurricane Maria. But an analysis of the additional deaths showed the way that the disaster had, directly and indirectly, led to nearly 3,000 deaths over six months. The total included the immediate deaths from mudslides and drownings, but also sepsis, diabetes and suicides that came later as the power failure stretched on for months.

Around the world, the coronavirus is bringing large waves of mortality. In Spain, deaths over the last month are 66 percent higher than normal, according to New York Times reporting. In Ecuador, they are more than 80 percent higher than normal. In Paris, more than twice as many people are dying every day as normal — far more than during a typical bad flu season.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
 
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Given the above, it now seems likely to me that over 200,000 Americans will die from COVID-19 this year.
 
Given the above, it now seems likely to me that over 200,000 Americans will die from COVID-19 this year.

We have now enterred the bat**** crazy logic of this thread similar to when it was obvious russia collusion was a hoax.

We unnecessarily scared the population with withholding facts which increased stress levels. We also stopped treating patients for an overblown virus.

But wait, because we did that and all these other people are dying justifies our actions in the first place.

****ing brilliant logic.
 
We have now enterred the bat**** crazy logic of this thread similar to when it was obvious russia collusion was a hoax.

We unnecessarily scared the population with withholding facts which increased stress levels. We also stopped treating patients for an overblown virus.

But wait, because we did that and all these other people are dying justifies our actions in the first place.

****ing brilliant logic.

200,000 from COVID-19. The people who died from other causes such as heart attacks that were not properly treated are another category of victims. They too are surely victims. But my 200,000 number is for people who died due to COVID-19.
 
200,000 from COVID-19. The people who died from other causes such as heart attacks that were not properly treated are another category of victims. They too are surely victims. But my 200,000 number is for people who died due to COVID-19.

This is an estimate based on an assumption of excess mortality isnt it?
 
We have now enterred the bat**** crazy logic of this thread similar to when it was obvious russia collusion was a hoax.

We unnecessarily scared the population with withholding facts which increased stress levels. We also stopped treating patients for an overblown virus.

But wait, because we did that and all these other people are dying justifies our actions in the first place.

****ing brilliant logic.

Have you ever tried breathing into a paper bag?
 
This is an estimate based on an assumption of excess mortality isnt it?
The ultimate answer will require quite a bit of work. Modeling what happened with respect to accidents, suicides, homicides, other infectious diseases such as flu, heart attacks, etc.

You have to control for all of those things to get close to the truth on COVID deaths. After all that you are left with an estimate. It will be over 200,000 in 2020 when the dust settles.
 
The ultimate answer will require quite a bit of work. Modeling what happened with respect to accidents, suicides, homicides, other infectious diseases such as flu, heart attacks, etc.

You have to control for all of those things to get close to the truth on COVID deaths. After all that you are left with an estimate. It will be over 200,000 in 2020 when the dust settles.

You cant answer the question directly?
 
You cant answer the question directly?
The answer is you use excess mortality as a starting point but make adjustments. There are lots of moving parts that have to be modeled. Deaths from traffic accidents for example. I'm sure they are down to varying degrees across the country.
 
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