nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
i always had you pegged as a socially enlightened dude
The Coronavirus, not the beer
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i always had you pegged as a socially enlightened dude
striker42
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I brought up deadlier diseases to show that letting your immune system do its job is foolish when you have a safe and effective vaccine. A vaccine is a cheat code. It takes you to the same result of immunity (often a stronger immunity) without the struggle of sickness.
I still haven't seen you do a legitimate cost/benefit analysis about taking the vaccine based on actual science. The risk of serious adverse effects from the vaccine are insanely low. The risk of getting a serious case of covid requiring hospitalization is also low but it's many, many, many times the risk the vaccine poses.
You keep focusing on the risk of covid being low to those under 40 but you just ignore that the vaccine poses significantly lower risks.
acesfull86
Well-known member
On my better days
acesfull86
Well-known member
I agree with the sentiment, I just don’t see how it applies here. Gambling on my unvaccinated immune system is probably a good bet, but it’s not adding any spice to my life.
Decision on taking a vaccine or not certainly won’t change that. I’m just trying to explain that we should not be preparing for extremely low probability events. Let life happen.
msstate7
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Maybe I've just saw one too many if-you-took-so-and-so-drug advertisements, but I'm hesitant to take a vaccine that was created at light speed. I did encourage my parents and grandmother to take it bc current risk probably outweighs a potential long term problem with the vaccine. I'm not sure that applies to me or my wife.
BTW, the vaccine speed makes me believe this was created/altered in a lab. Seems we may have had a little head start on this one
BTW, the vaccine speed makes me believe this was created/altered in a lab. Seems we may have had a little head start on this one
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acesfull86
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I hear ya, but I go the other way on the speed of the vaccine ...I think the FDA is a bureaucratic nightmare, painfully slow, and has caused more pain and suffering than it’s prevented. I look at the vaccine as evidence of what we can do if we reformed the FDA’s torturous approval process in “non-emergency” situations.
striker42
Well-known member
Using this logic you could do away with all kinds of safety features. Why wear a seat belt? The odds of you getting into an accident on any given drive are extremely low. If you do get in an accident, odds are it will be low speed so the seat belt will be of little use. Why strap yourself into a car to guard against low probability events? The answer is because the cost is so insanely low and the risk, while remote, is very serious. It just makes sense to incur the very low cost to guard against the risk.
That's where I am with the vaccine. I had Covid. I'm at a low risk of getting sick again and an extremely low risk of getting seriously ill. But I got the vaccine anyway. There was almost no real downside. I felt lousy for a day and my arm hurt. I gladly accepted that to decrease the chance I'd get Covid again. I don't want to ever have it again.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
plus now you have that extra arm you always wanted
striker42
Well-known member
Don't forget the gills!
msstate7
Well-known member
Were your antibodies gone when you took vaccine?
striker42
Well-known member
Don't know. I didn't test before the vaccine. It had been about 5 months since I had it. I don't think my immunity was gone as I got sick after the first shot which is evidence that my body recognized it and launched an immune reaction to it.
Trump should have just let his body do it’s job rather than get a six figure treatment at Walter Reed when he had Covid.
msstate7
Well-known member
There was no vaccine when he got it. No president would've been treated any differently
Is trump under 40 in good health?
my sister was under 40 in good health. She had it in July of last year. She still is having complications and lingering effects of it.
striker42
Well-known member
The speed doesn't bother me because this is an mRNA vaccine which yields vaccines much quicker. It's a completely different technology than dead or attenuated virus vaccines. That technology has been years in development, we're just now seeing it deployed.
What concerns me more is the long term effects of this disease. Specifically what it does to your brain and lungs. Thinking of Covid as the seasonal flu is wrong. The symptoms are often flu like but they are entirely different diseases. Covid hits your body much differently.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
It wasn't created at light speed for what it is, though. Just take a closer look. The "head start" you are sensing is all about mRNA technology.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Exactly.