The Coronavirus, not the beer

Krgrecw said:
Trump is mulling a travel ban to Italy and South Korea.
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I'm sure they'd like to block infected people from returning to the US, or quarantine the ones who do. That's why the handling of the infected passengers outlined in the whistleblower complaint is so odd. Nothing that they did in that situation makes any sense to me.
 
Runnin said:
I'm sure they'd like to block infected people from returning to the US, or quarantine the ones who do. That's why the handling of the infected passengers outlined in the whistleblower complaint is so odd. Nothing that they did in that situation makes any sense to me.
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Why is it odd.

Does the incompetence of this admin by now still surprise you?
 
The Chosen One said:
Why is it odd.

Does the incompetence of this admin by now still surprise you?
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It's odd because on the one hand they exhibited caution and fear of the virus and then in the next moment acted as if they wanted to spread the virus into the general public as quickly as possible. The screw up seems to go beyond incompetence. If they were afraid of spreading the virus, why did they send out unprotected, untrained workers who they had to know would become infected?
 
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Runnin said:
It's odd because on the one hand they exhibited caution and fear of the virus and then in the next moment acted as if they wanted to spread the virus into the general public as quickly as possible. The screw up seems to go beyond incompetence. If they were afraid of spreading the virus, why did they send out unprotected, untrained workers who they had to know would become infected?
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you're assuming too much coherence...even a competent administration would be scrambling right now...with chosen one its going to be a mass of incoherent chaos
 
nsacpi said:
you're assuming too much coherence...even a competent administration would be scrambling right now...with chosen one its going to be a mass of incoherent chaos
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If I'm on the ground in Calf and I know a plane load of folks from Wuhan are on the way, I'm coherent enough to not send people who are not trained or equipped to meet them. The people being sent knew. Maybe the folks on the ground just didn't know who they were meeting, but that level of incompetence is hard to imagine.
 
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Pence hard at working trying to pray the Coronavirus away. Funny how there arent any crazy religious people blaming this on God's wrath for electing Donald Trump.
 
Krugman: Pandemic Meets Personality Cult

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html

The story of the Trump pandemic response actually began several years ago. Almost as soon as he took office, Trump began cutting funding for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, leading in turn to an 80 percent cut in the resources the agency devotes to global disease outbreaks. Trump also shut down the entire global-health-security unit of the National Security Council.

The first reaction of the Trumpers was to see the coronavirus as a Chinese problem — and to see whatever is bad for China as being good for us. Wilbur Ross, the commerce secretary, cheered it on as a development that would “accelerate the return of jobs to North America.”

MAGA
 
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Krgrecw said:
Jesus Christ do you all have to turn every thread into an anti trump thread?
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Are you serious? What does it matter what we say about it? If you have alternative facts, please post them here.

If you haven't been paying attention, Trump has a way of making everything about himself. He bragged about how he has done a wonderful job while not mentioning that if he had not shut down the team devoted to disease outbreaks it would've automatically been doing all the work. Now the U.S. is way behind the outbreak and isn't properly supplied. If only those were his only screw ups so far.
 
Runnin said:
Are you serious? What does it matter what we say about it? If you have alternative facts, please post them here.

If you haven't been paying attention, Trump has a way of making everything about himself. He bragged about how he has done a wonderful job while not mentioning that if he had not shut down the team devoted to disease outbreaks it would've automatically been doing all the work. Now the U.S. is way behind the outbreak and isn't properly supplied. If only those were his only screw ups so far.
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Welcome to the rest of the world. Nothing is slowing this virus down no matter what country you are in.
 
thewupk said:
Welcome to the rest of the world. Nothing is slowing this virus down no matter what country you are in.
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Every country is scrambling to contain it. I think it IS part of the story that chosen one has degraded our capabilities to deal with a pandemic.
 
In the interests of fairness I do want to observe that so far the coronavirus appears to be a blue state problem.
 
Is it legitimate to report chosen one decided not to name an expert as his epidemic czar because such a person might not be loyal to him?
 
nsacpi said:
Every country is scrambling to contain it. I think it IS part of the story that chosen one has degraded our capabilities to deal with a pandemic.
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A small part. I've been following this since mid January. WHO has been pretty incompetent too. CDC refusing to test anyone until a few days ago was absurd as well.

The real take away is the world just isnt prepard for another full blown pandemic on the level of spanish flu.
 
thewupk said:
Welcome to the rest of the world. Nothing is slowing this virus down no matter what country you are in.
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The virus isn't really the problem. The biggest issue is going to be the stress it puts on the medical systems. You're right, the pandemic is here, now it's just a matter of leadership, timely care and infrastructure.
 
An issue I've been pondering is whether there is a tradeoff between the right response from a medical point of view and the economic fallout.

It seems to me that extreme quarantine measures and attempts to curtail travel cut in opposite directions depending on whether you care more about minimizing spread of the virus or the economic fallout.

Same maybe with sharing information with the public.

Woodrow Wilson had concerns that too much bad news about Spanish flu would hurt war-time morale. So government kept a lid on info.
 
nsacpi said:
An issue I've been pondering is whether there is a tradeoff between the right response from a medical point of view and the economic fallout.

It seems to me that extreme quarantine measures and attempts to curtail travel cut in opposite directions depending on whether you care more about minimizing spread of the virus or the economic fallout.

Same maybe with sharing information with the public.

Woodrow Wilson had concerns that too much bad news about Spanish flu would hurt war-time morale. So government kept a lid on info.
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Don't you think that honest, helpful information could also lesson people's anxiety and give people a sense of what their safe boundaries are? The media is going to be giving bad news and stoking fears if competent leaders aren't standing up to quell anxieties. Of course, if all you've got is Mike Pence, maybe it's best to say as little as possible.
 
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Runnin said:
Don't you think that honest, helpful information could also lesson people's anxiety and give people a sense of what their safe boundaries are?
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Transparency is like motherhood and apple pie. Who could possibly be against it. I think it is the right way to go 99% of the time. We'll see though how markets react if as is increasingly likely we get a big increase in number of infections in this country, if sporting events have to be held in empty arenas, if schools start closing.
 
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