The Coronavirus, not the beer

sturg33 said:
If we didnt have Trump we could have had this!

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Look, I'm not trying to dunk on these people. This is hard. I'm just so sick of the 'had Trump not said this then we'd have no cases!!!' narrative
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de Blasio deserves to be dunked on...and the mistakes he has made fit in with his pattern of governing as mayor

setting aside ideology and policy, he is a terrible manager

early in his first term he gave an interview in which he said punctuality is for losers...i remember reading that and just wondering about the guy
 
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sturg33 said:
With the benefit of 100% hindsight, what should Trump have done and when should he had done it. If he did, what would the outcome be?
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Not go on TV telling people everyday and tweeting it's no worse than the flu.

Listen to the intelligence briefings and pass it on with caution to congress and governors.

Probably not have cut the pandemic response team the Obama admin created as a result of what they learned from H1N1.

We can keep going.
 
The Chosen One said:
Tell me what's worse, Trump in March during the middle of this crisis telling people the economy is priority and we shouldn't have to shut down over something worse than the flu, or those clips the beginning of February when people were anxious but leaders were still being hopeful.

I highly doubt those people had the same classified presidential intel Trump had.
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When trump was saying that we were already mitigating.

The reason we needed to mitigate was the actions taken by local leadership encouraging the population to contract the virus.
 
The Chosen One said:
Not go on TV telling people everyday and tweeting it's no worse than the flu.

Listen to the intelligence briefings and pass it on with caution to congress and governors.

Probably not have cut the pandemic response team the Obama admin created as a result of what they learned from H1N1.

We can keep going.
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I wonder if we should have had the national stockpiles ready to go since the last time they were used...
 
The Chosen One said:
Not go on TV telling people everyday and tweeting it's no worse than the flu.

Listen to the intelligence briefings and pass it on with caution to congress and governors.

Probably not have cut the pandemic response team the Obama admin created as a result of what they learned from H1N1.

We can keep going.
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So doing those three things results in what?
 
"A lot of people were just telling me to ride it out"

I love how he says this so vaguely. Because there's no way he would say the CDC, Fauci, or Birx told him this.

But he says it vaguely enough that people will think the experts told him this and he was just being a nice boy listening.
 
The Chosen One said:
Is this a serious question or are you back to trolling again
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You keep saying Trump is single handedly responsible for our situation.

I'm asking you what would have happened had he handled it the way Sav most definitely would of. What is our current situation looking like?
 
DeSantis finally signs a statewide stay-at-home order. It has been astonishing watching all these governors hoping for the best, hoping that what is happening elsewhere will not come to their states.

Very few have acted quickly. DeWine is one who didn't wait for things to get bad in his state before acting.
 
nsacpi said:
DeSantis finally signs a statewide stay-at-home order. It has been astonishing watching all these governors hoping for the best, hoping that what is happening elsewhere will not come to their states.

Very few have acted quickly. DeWine is one who didn't wait for things to get bad in his state before acting.
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And yet here in VA, governor blackface has issued one til June 10.

That's not gonna work
 
sturg33 said:
And yet here in VA, governor blackface has issued one til June 10.

That's not gonna work
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You can always lift it early if things progress sooner.

I agreed with Trump when he made the right move to go April 30th for extending social distancing guidelines. (After he recklessly kept speculating early on lifting it after 15 days)

Fauci said right after him, it's easier to lift it earlier if progress is made, than keep extending it.

The DC Metro area is very densely populated and also happens to be where a lot of our government buildings are. You obviously disagree with that date, but I would imagine that was a big reason for consideration.
 
sturg33 said:
And yet here in VA, governor blackface has issued one til June 10.

That's not gonna work
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Toronto has banned public gatherings through the end of June 30. We'll see.

We ran deficits averaging 20% of GDP for 4 years during WWII.

I've made the analogy:

Tanks are a useless device except to kill enemy tanks.

Social distancing has no use except during a pandemic.

Tanks and social distancing are different kinds of weapons in two different kinds of wars.

We pay people to build tanks and everything else needed during a war.

We should likewise pay people to produce social distancing.
 
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nsacpi said:
Toronto has banned public gatherings through the end of June 30. We'll see.

We ran deficits averaging 20% of GDP for 4 years during WWII.

I'm made the analogy:

Tanks are a useless device except to kill enemy tanks.

Social distancing has no use except during a pandemic.

Tanks and social distancing are different kinds of weapons in two different kinds of wars.

We pay people to build tanks and everything else needed during a war.

We should likewise pay people to produce social distancing.
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Knowing sturg I think your analogy is moot.

Pretty sure if alive back then, he would have just blamed FDR shipping supplies to the UK as getting us involved and justifying the Axis attacking us and forcing us to go to war.
 
The national debate set off by Donald Trump’s announcement that he wanted churches packed on Easter was, like so many Trump crises, a self-inflicted one. In the days after Trump tweeted that “WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF,” his medical advisers, led by Dr. Anthony Fauci, implored Trump not to relax the government’s social distancing guidelines. Trump dug in. “His view was: I need to show people that there is light at the end of the tunnel,” a former West Wing official told me. Under pressure, members of the coronavirus task force discussed privately how parts of the country might be opened in April, but cautioned Trump not to get locked into a specific timetable given the deteriorating conditions in New York hospitals and ominous upticks in cases in New Orleans, Detroit, and elsewhere. “They discussed it internally, but they never intended Trump to announce it,” a Republican working with the task force told me.

Trump’s impulsive decision—and its messy aftermath—consumed the West Wing during the critical week that governors were pleading with the White House to deliver medical supplies before hospital systems began to collapse. “It was totally crazy,” the Republican told me. Dr. Fauci, Senator Lindsey Graham, and others raced to convince Trump that an Easter opening would be a cataclysmic error that could cost millions of lives. “This is a very, very stressful situation for everybody, including me,” Fauci told me in a phone interview on Monday. By last weekend Fauci’s arguments broke through: Trump agreed to extend the social distancing guidelines until the end of April.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...to-back-off-of-his-easter-coronavirus-miracle

we'd better served if Fauci and others did not have to spend so much time and energy snuffing out these impulsive and poorly thought out ideas
 
nsacpi said:
The national debate set off by Donald Trump’s announcement that he wanted churches packed on Easter was, like so many Trump crises, a self-inflicted one. In the days after Trump tweeted that “WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF,” his medical advisers, led by Dr. Anthony Fauci, implored Trump not to relax the government’s social distancing guidelines. Trump dug in. “His view was: I need to show people that there is light at the end of the tunnel,” a former West Wing official told me. Under pressure, members of the coronavirus task force discussed privately how parts of the country might be opened in April, but cautioned Trump not to get locked into a specific timetable given the deteriorating conditions in New York hospitals and ominous upticks in cases in New Orleans, Detroit, and elsewhere. “They discussed it internally, but they never intended Trump to announce it,” a Republican working with the task force told me.

Trump’s impulsive decision—and its messy aftermath—consumed the West Wing during the critical week that governors were pleading with the White House to deliver medical supplies before hospital systems began to collapse. “It was totally crazy,” the Republican told me. Dr. Fauci, Senator Lindsey Graham, and others raced to convince Trump that an Easter opening would be a cataclysmic error that could cost millions of lives. “This is a very, very stressful situation for everybody, including me,” Fauci told me in a phone interview on Monday. By last weekend Fauci’s arguments broke through: Trump agreed to extend the social distancing guidelines until the end of April.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...to-back-off-of-his-easter-coronavirus-miracle

we'd better served if Fauci and others did not have to spend so much time and energy snuffing out these impulsive and poorly thought out ideas
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Yes but you see, it's China's fault for their lies and deception that Trump couldn't see what was in front of him.
 
The way they have to talk to him is like bargaining with a 7 year old.

Ok I'll give you candy and we can go to the toy store if you clean your room and do your homework. Homework isn't done yet. Ok fine if I get you the candy and toy you have to clean up your room after ok?
 
The Chosen One said:
The way they have to talk to him is like bargaining with a 7 year old.

Ok I'll give you candy and we can go to the toy store if you clean your room and do your homework. Homework isn't done yet. Ok fine if I get you the candy and toy you have to clean up your room after ok?
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exactly...this is a very tough situation and the responsible adults are reporting to an impulsive child
 
nsacpi said:
We should likewise pay people to produce social distancing.
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This is an effective way to phrase a solution. I think more needs to be done to reimburse people for forcing them to stay home. And this should include all Americans from Jeff Bezos to Tincan Tony who sleeps on a park bench.

But the trade-off, is we need a way to measure this output otherwise you will explode your deficit without slowing the virus. Unfortunately, you get into a real dicey zone with freedom infringement once you start discussing location monitoring.
 
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