The Coronavirus, not the beer

[The Tariff King]

Not sure when I said that. But, he has been pushing to move manufacturing back to North America for decades (crickets).

He did ban travel after Fauchi and the WHO thought it was a bad idea.


What Trump did get wrong is doing the lockdown all together in the form that it was done. That was a terrible decision and it may cost him the election.

Trump has gotten a lot of things wrong.

Not being able to facilitate and properly communicate with governors on what's going on (such as the example I brought up earlier, of Louisiana hosting mardi gras in Late February, and not having any intelligence or heads up from the federal government that this thing was getting bad). Shifting blame to them, etc. Not calling for social distancing earlier (we know you think we should have never had a lockdown or social distancing period, so I don't feel the need to argue with you on this anyways).

He never had a plan when this thing started expanding, and he never thought to have a plan for when we eventually would open up. He's been winging everything since the travel ban to china. 40k people apparently made it back to the States from China after he issued the travel ban.

Kept going on TV downplaying the whole thing. Just a mess. If we didn't have social distancing measures in place, more hospital systems around the country would have been overwhelmed like NY. That would have been many more deaths.

 

[thethe]

Trump has gotten a lot of things wrong.

Not being able to facilitate and properly communicate with governors on what's going on (such as the example I brought up earlier, of Louisiana hosting mardi gras in Late February, and not having any intelligence or heads up from the federal government that this thing was getting bad). Shifting blame to them, etc. Not calling for social distancing earlier (we know you think we should have never had a lockdown or social distancing period, so I don't feel the need to argue with you on this anyways).

He never had a plan when this thing started expanding, and he never thought to have a plan for when we eventually would open up. He's been winging everything since the travel ban to china. 40k people apparently made it back to the States from China after he issued the travel ban.

Kept going on TV downplaying the whole thing. Just a mess. If we didn't have social distancing measures in place, more hospital systems around the country would have been overwhelmed like NY. That would have been many more deaths.

There is just no evidence to say that other hospital systems would have been overwhelmed. Hospitals are firing staff right now because they are empty.

A case could easily been made that it would have resulted in more deaths in NYC/Long Island for sure. I won't dispute that but if you implemented an effective lockdown you could have minimized this and not crashed the economy.

But, then you could also accept the logic that this spread like wildfire before the lockdowns and what we saw in NY was the peak it would ever have been and therefore the lockdown was not very effective at all. We will see what the antibody testing yields.


In late February Fauchi said this wasn't a big deal and Americans should not be scared. HIS NUMBER 1 MEDICAL EXPERT. DOn't give me this **** that it was Trumps fault this was communicated. Trump has no clue how to evaluate this virus just like any president prior. He is leaning on people giving him terrible information from the beginning.

Trumps idea was to open on Easter. In hindsight that seems prophetic but the oracle Fauchi (who has gotten everything wrong) convinced him otherwise. I wish we did open on Easter and allowed Christians to actually celebrate. Disgraceful but the leftists are thrilled that they couldn't celebrate so big win for you guys!

 

[Metaphysicist]

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More about spikes in uncharacterized non-flu deaths early in the year. In addition to what others have said has been confusing.

I was promised by someone this was impossible.

We are counting March as early in the year now? Boy, I thought those goalposts would be heavier...

 

[thethe]

We are counting March as early in the year now? Boy, I thought those goalposts would be heavier...

You are so emotionally distraught that you can't even analyze simple charts. I feel sorry that the real world paralyzes your ability to think rationally. Thankfully you won't be making decisions that impact real people any time soon.

You hold all these thoughts. I just hope you will come around after it becomes clear all of our lockdown measures were irrelevant and that massive amounts of the population had this.

Just don't pull a Russia Collusion and dissappear when all your fear mongering has proven to be 100% stupid and false.

I have faith

 

[nsacpi]

You are so emotionally distraught that you can't even analyze simple charts. I feel sorry that the real world paralyzes your ability to think rationally. Thankfully you won't be making decisions that impact real people any time soon.

You hold all these thoughts. I just hope you will come around after it becomes clear all of our lockdown measures were irrelevant and that massive amounts of the population had this.

Just don't pull a Russia Collusion and dissappear when all your fear mongering has proven to be 100% stupid and false.

I have faith

How many people in the country do you think were infected by mid March

 

[Metaphysicist]

You are so emotionally distraught that you can't even analyze simple charts.

Lol, sorry, I guess my emotions made me accidentally read the article and the charts with the word "MARCH" on them.

 

[thethe]

How many people in the country do you think were infected by mid March

The country is kind of irrelevant as vast swaths did not and will not have mass infection spread based on their own unique logistics.

NYC was easily 50%.

I suspect other areas range from 5-20% and based on what their density and commuting patterns look like will be enough to stop any accelerated growth that threaten hospital systems.

50% of the population will at some point get the virus in the next 12 months. The only sensible approach is to educate who is vulnerable and make antibody testing a priority.

What we did was the opposite of effective from a cumulative perspective when considering what we sacrificed.

 

[thethe]

Lol, sorry, I guess my emotions made me accidentally read the article and the charts with the word "MARCH" on them.

Yeah and you still fail to understand how the virus spreads.

It's the same reason you said that berenson tweet was misleading and once I gave it another 5 minutes of thought it was 100% accurate.

Same reason you think the chicago sample is a bad sample to extrapolate antibodies when it isnt.

You are clearly a smart dude but you just aren't thinking clearly.

It's ok. You will gain some emotionally maturity as you age.

 

[The Tariff King]

The country is kind of irrelevant as vast swaths did not and will not have mass infection spread based on their own unique logistics.

NYC was easily 50%.

I suspect other areas range from 5-20% and based on what their density and commuting patterns look like will be enough to stop any accelerated growth that threaten hospital systems.

50% of the population will at some point get the virus in the next 12 months. The only sensible approach is to educate who is vulnerable and make antibody testing a priority.

What we did was the opposite of effective from a cumulative perspective when considering what we sacrificed.

No country relies on airline travel for its citizens as much as we do.

I think this is also something you severely underestimate. Look at what happened in Albany, GA. One person went to a funeral, spread it like wildfire around town. Their hospital was not equipped for that. You'd see that happen in more rural towns around the country, especially in middle america.

If this kept going, it would have spread worse because of airline travel being so important to our economy.

 

[The Tariff King]

A pork plant in nowhere South Dakota closed because of 300 employees out of 1000 being positive for corona.

If this made its way to rural South Dakota, what makes you think if we hadn't gone to mitigation, that it wouldn't have hit big cities in the southern part of the country harder or start ripping into rural america as well?

 

[thethe]

No country relies on airline travel for its citizens as much as we do.

I think this is also something you severely underestimate. Look at what happened in Albany, GA. One person went to a funeral, spread it like wildfire around town. Their hospital was not equipped for that. You'd see that happen in more rural towns around the country, especially in middle america.

If this kept going, it would have spread worse because of airline travel being so important to our economy.

No state suffered hospital strain like NYC. Some states imposed lockdowns late and all the data that was relevant to prior showed that they were in absolutely no risk for hospital strain.

The spread rate is based on population density and commuting patterns. There is no place in the United States that even closely resembles NYC.

Almost every other area would have been fine with sensible mitigation and not the draconian crap that was pushed down our throats.

 

[Carp]

The country is kind of irrelevant as vast swaths did not and will not have mass infection spread based on their own unique logistics.

NYC was easily 50%.

I suspect other areas range from 5-20% and based on what their density and commuting patterns look like will be enough to stop any accelerated growth that threaten hospital systems.

50% of the population will at some point get the virus in the next 12 months. The only sensible approach is to educate who is vulnerable and make antibody testing a priority.

What we did was the opposite of effective from a cumulative perspective when considering what we sacrificed.

NYC is already approaching .2% death rate for half the population. Either you were drastically wrong about the death rate, or you are drastically wrong about the total # of infected or both. Based on everything we know so far, I'm going with both.

 

[thethe]

A pork plant in nowhere South Dakota closed because of 300 employees out of 1000 being positive for corona.

If this made its way to rural South Dakota, what makes you think if we hadn't gone to mitigation, that it wouldn't have hit big cities in the southern part of the country harder or start ripping into rural america as well?

A pork plant - Which would be in a confined space.

And with a sensible lockdown we should applaud 50% or more spreads to the unaffected population. That is the fastest way to beat the virus.

 

[The Tariff King]

Almost every other area would have been fine with sensible mitigation and not the draconian crap that was pushed down our throats.

So why didn't POTUS do this earlier then?

Could it be because he was constantly flip flopping between, it's not my responsibility, talk to the governors, or because he was too concerned about the markets to actually take any action in an election year?

Pick one.

 

[thethe]

NYC is already approaching .2% death rate for hlaf the population. Either you were drastically wrong about the death rate, or you are drastically wrong about the total # of infected or both. Based on everything we know so far, I'm going with both.

Death rate is going to vary by location based on the percentage of the population that has pre-existing conditions. Those are effectively the only people that are dying.

So sure, the death rate for NYC may be .2 or .3%. That won't be the same everywhere.

 

[thethe]

So why didn't POTUS do this earlier then?

Could it be because he was constantly flip flopping between, it's not my responsibility, talk to the governors, or because he was too concerned about the markets to actually take any action in an election year?

Pick one.

Trump ****ed up on this and I have said this. When real data came in we should have shifted immediately but there is so much absurd media spin on this that if Trump announced this we would see endless headlines that Trump wants to kill people.

Then the same amount of deaths would have resulted in long obituaries about their lives and how trump ended the all

Don't pretend this wouldn't have happened.

 

[The Tariff King]

A pork plant - Which would be in a confined space.

And with a sensible lockdown we should applaud 50% or more spreads to the unaffected population. That is the fastest way to beat the virus.

Sorry, what manufacturing plants aren't in confined spaces?

My brother's entire department at Gulfstream had to shut down and get furloughed last week. A department of 100 because one lady tested positive for corona. Right now my brother is the only one in that building working because he had the week off for spring break. He never came into contact with her. They shut down the building for a week to clean and sanitize it, and he's the only one there.

Savannah is a mid-sized city. Sure no city is going to have the population density of NYC, but there are a lot of pre-existing conditions in the South... obesity and diabeetus being two of them.

 

[Carp]

Death rate is going to vary by location based on the percentage of the population that has pre-existing conditions. Those are effectively the only people that are dying.

So sure, the death rate for NYC may be .2 or .3%. That won't be the same everywhere.

So NYC has proportionally more people that are at risk than the rest of the country beecause of.... reasons? The South routinely gets raked for having the most unhealthy people in the US. But somehow, we're all ok down here if mass infections hit.... Makes total sense.

 

[thethe]

Sorry, what manufacturing plants aren't in confined spaces?

My brother's entire department at Gulfstream had to shut down and get furloughed last week. A department of 100 because one lady tested positive for corona. Right now my brother is the only one in that building working because he had the week off for spring break. He never came into contact with her. They shut down the building for a week to clean and sanitize it, and he's the only one there.

Savannah is a mid-sized city. Sure no city is going to have the population density of NYC, but there are a lot of pre-existing conditions in the South... obesity and diabeetus being two of them.

Yes, and with a non-hysterical approach to the lockdown would have addressed all of this. But the #1 expert went from no issue (2/29) to full lockdown. And we all want Trump to listen to the experts right?

 

[thethe]

So NYC has proportionally more people that are at risk than the rest of the country beecause of.... reasons? The South routinely gets raked for having the most unhealthy people in the US. But somehow, we're all ok down here if mass infections hit.... Makes total sense.

Mass infections wouldn't hit in the south because of the logistics of each location.

20% exposure might be in effect herd immunity [not actual herd immunity for those that will love to jump on me] for lots of areas.