The Coronavirus, not the beer
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chop2chip
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Honest question, are you worried to any degree about the expansion of surveillance powers the government that’s going to happen over the coming weeks?
nsacpi
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Doesn't wearing a mask reduce government powers of surveillance and increase privacy?
Now my wife can go out in her burka and no one will think anything of it.
#silverlining
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chop2chip
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Yeah. But I feel sick afterwards every time I take my mask off after a trip to the supermarket. Don’t think I was cutout for this racket.
nsacpi
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I hate it too. The cloth ones are better.
It occurs to me this is the one time you can walk into a bank with your face covered. Not that I'm suggesting anything.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
nsacpi
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Exclusion criteria were 1) the presence of a contraindication to HCQ at 600 mg daily
(including patients under dialysis); 2) the start of HCQ before admission to the hospital; 3)
treatment with another experimental drug for COVID-19 (tocilizumab, lopinavir-ritonavir, or
remdesivir) within 48 hours after admission; 4) organ failure requiring immediate admission
to the ICU or continuous care unit (CCU); 5) ARDS at admission (defined by the need for
non-invasive ventilation with provision of positive airway pressure or invasive mechanical
ventilation); 6) discharge from the ICU to standard care; 7) decision to limit and stop active
therapeutics made at admission); and 8) opposition to data collection by the patient or her/his
legal representative.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Oxygen is pretty standard for admitted COVID patients. The criterion for admitting them is often low oxygen levels.
I'll take your word for it but if there are stats on that fact I'd love to see them.
nsacpi
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If you are sick with COVID, your doctor will tell you to stay home unless you are having trouble breathing. Once that happens and you go in they will check your oxygen levels and/or X ray your lungs. To get admitted your oxygen levels have to be below a certain threshold or something bad has to show up on the X ray.
Then if the whole idea is to discuss it with your doctor before taking it then wouldnt you not be admitted to an hospital?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Yeah. That's another group of patients. In theory another trial could be done for people still at home. Give it to half and give the other half a placebo. I'm not sure if that kind of trial is being conducted. It should be noted that something like 90% of people with COVID do not end up hospitalized. So the outcomes are generally good for these patients. But it is possible the HCQ would improve the odds. However, there is also the risk from the heart arrythmia side effect. Which is especially of concern if you are at home with no doctor to intervene.
Of course. But those that dont need to be hospitalized have a percentage that eventually do. If the hydroxychloroquine can help those people we should all be thrilled.
I dont believe anyone has ever made the claim that hospital should be issuing them to patients needing oxygen. I could be wrong.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Absolutely. If there is a safe way of doing a trial with the group of patients that is still well enough to be at home it might be worth the shot. The problem is that side effect where basically your heart stops working. In a hospital they can catch that and make sure the patient doesn't die. At home it could happen.
What is the liklihood of that if you have no heart conditions?
That was one of the first exclusions discussed when the drug was first brought into the forefront.
nsacpi
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It seems to happen a fair amount. Remember one French doctor stopped the trial he was running because it happened to several patients. It's not like one in a million.