The Coronavirus, not the beer

Massachusetts builds an army of contact tracers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Jim Yong Kim, a co-founder of Partners in Health, who recently stepped down as president of the World Bank, said he was struck by the contrast between American and South Korean leaders, who, because of robust contact tracing, felt they had the ability to track down the virus.

“We’re sitting back, hunkering down, waiting to see what the virus is going to do to us,” he said. The language of South Korean colleagues, he said, “was completely different from the language I was hearing in the U.S. They were talking about the virus as if it were a person. Telling me how tricky it was. It was the experience of chasing it down.”

In a late-night phone call late in March, Dr. Kim pitched his idea to Governor Baker, pointing to data from Wuhan, China, that showed that social distancing alone could not bring the virus’s spread rate low enough to lift the current restrictions.

“When people say you can’t do that, it’s too labor-intensive, it makes no sense to me,” he said. “Ask all the people sheltering in place, the 70 percent of people who have lost income — I would ask those people, how much is it worth to us to really get on top of it? $100 billion? $500 billion?”

The 1,000 new jobs, announced at a news conference on April 3, triggered a deluge of applications, now numbering around 15,000. Ms. Cross, 27, who is training to be a nutritionist, said she was so emotional about taking part that she wept during her recorded interview.

“I feel like I have all this energy that I want to funnel into prevention,” she said.

Harvey Schwartz, 72, a retired civil rights lawyer from Ipswich, said he sent in his application within 15 minutes of Gov. Baker’s announcement, offering to work without pay.

“I’ve been spending two and a half hours every morning reading the news, and getting more and more depressed,” he said. “This is the antidote to that.”
 
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Fair point. They will also disappear when suicides/drug abuse/child abuse/spousal abuse skyrocket.

All because they blindly followed a terribly wrong model. Too stupid to think for themselves.

Weird how spousal and child abuse is justified in the same category and suicide and drug abuse.

Gotta tell you, spousal and child abuse probably was happening before they were told to stay inside.
 
Weird how spousal and child abuse is justified in the same category and suicide and drug abuse.

Gotta tell you, spousal and child abuse probably was happening before they were told to stay inside.

Of course they were just like suicide and drug abuse was.

I'm not sure what your point is here sir
 
Of course they were just like suicide and drug abuse was.

I'm not sure what your point is here sir

For the brigade that always talks about personal responsibility, suicide and drug abuse would fall into that category.

Spousal and child abuse, that is a whole nother level. You can't blame the shutdown on those things. They likely were already happening and were ticking time bombs.

I can sympathize for those contemplating suicide and drug abuse, but absolutely no sympathy for anyone that uses the shutdown as an excuse to abuse their spouses and children.
 
For the brigade that always talks about personal responsibility, suicide and drug abuse would fall into that category.

Spousal and child abuse, that is a whole nother level. You can't blame the shutdown on those things. They likely were already happening and were ticking time bombs.

I can sympathize for those contemplating suicide and drug abuse, but absolutely no sympathy for anyone that uses the shutdown as an excuse to abuse their spouses and children.

I'm still confused at your response here. I agree materially with every single one of your points that you just made...It still is not valid in response to what I was discussing.
 
President Trump is expected to announce as soon as Thursday evening that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will hire hundreds of people to perform contact tracing as part of his push to allow the country to go back to work and school, a top government official said.

Mr. Trump is also expected to say that the federal government will help states pay for more medical personnel to help track the spread of the coronavirus by getting in touch with people who test positive to see who they have had contact with three or four days before they started showing symptoms.

“The president will announce a plan in the works to drastically increase the capacity for state and local health departments to do core public health work like testing people, doing contact tracing,” said the official, who declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the announcement. “We want to beef up state capacity to be able to perform core functions, so that if and when we start to open the country back up, we don’t have a resurgence of cases to require the country to shut back down.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/...action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

seems very sensible to me
 
President Trump is expected to announce as soon as Thursday evening that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will hire hundreds of people to perform contact tracing as part of his push to allow the country to go back to work and school, a top government official said.

Mr. Trump is also expected to say that the federal government will help states pay for more medical personnel to help track the spread of the coronavirus by getting in touch with people who test positive to see who they have had contact with three or four days before they started showing symptoms.

“The president will announce a plan in the works to drastically increase the capacity for state and local health departments to do core public health work like testing people, doing contact tracing,” said the official, who declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the announcement. “We want to beef up state capacity to be able to perform core functions, so that if and when we start to open the country back up, we don’t have a resurgence of cases to require the country to shut back down.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/...action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

seems very sensible to me

I think this will be an inefficient use of resources. Hope I'm wrong.
 
There are a lot of people who are ruining the country right now, according to Michael Savage. Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Liberal mayors in big cities like San Francisco. Undocumented immigrants. Homeless people.

But for the past two months, listeners to Mr. Savage’s conservative radio show have heard him howl with unabated contempt about another menace: “The pimps” in the right-wing media “who tell you what you want to hear.” They are “intellectual dwarfs” and “science illiterates,” he says, who spent weeks downplaying the threat from the coronavirus epidemic and accusing President Trump’s opponents of exaggerating it to hurt him politically.

On Mr. Savage’s broadcast, which has one of the largest audiences in talk radio with 7.5 million listeners each week, the virus has never been a hoax or a bad case of the sniffles. He has lectured his fans on the research in detail: How it is transmitted; which treatments are proving effective; and the difference between morbidity and mortality rates.

With no small amount of self-satisfaction, Mr. Savage reminds people of his credentials — a Ph.D. and training in epidemiology — and of the fact that he was one of the few voices in conservative media who had warned them all along.

Much of the time, Mr. Savage still sounds like any other right-wing shock jock — making fun of Nancy Pelosi and doubting the validity of the #MeToo movement. But on the subject of the coronavirus, Mr. Savage has become one of the loudest voices of dissent on the right.

His views are a striking departure from the accepted version of events among Mr. Trump’s loyalists in the media, who have made a concerted effort to deny that they downplayed the epidemic. Mr. Savage has attacked the credibility of the conservative media, accused its biggest stars of being too rote and unthinking in their defense of the president, and demanded that they be held accountable for misleading millions of Americans.

“We’re living in a terrible time in America where truth has died,” Mr. Savage, who was one of the first conservative media stars to urge Mr. Trump to run for president, told his audience. “This is crazy,” he added, pointing to the way the president’s defenders always accuse the left of spreading “fake news.”

“How can we not let our side be called on the carpet when they lie to the people?”

That was Feb. 24.

At the time, coronavirus outbreaks were largely limited to a handful of countries like China, South Korea and Italy. Only a few dozen cases had been reported in the United States. The same day, Rush Limbaugh likened the coronavirus to the common cold on his radio program. But it spread aggressively in America just as Mr. Savage had warned it would — a prediction that earned him the ire of people who called him a hysteric and a sellout.

His contempt for hosts like Mr. Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, whose top-rated radio shows draw more than 30 million listeners each week, is especially searing. He mocks them as “Dr. Hannity” and “Rush Limbaugh, M.D., Ph.D.,” belittles their lack of education compared with his, and berates people who took their claims seriously.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/us/politics/michael-savage-trump-coronavirus.html
 
President Trump is expected to announce as soon as Thursday evening that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will hire hundreds of people to perform contact tracing as part of his push to allow the country to go back to work and school, a top government official said.

Mr. Trump is also expected to say that the federal government will help states pay for more medical personnel to help track the spread of the coronavirus by getting in touch with people who test positive to see who they have had contact with three or four days before they started showing symptoms.

“The president will announce a plan in the works to drastically increase the capacity for state and local health departments to do core public health work like testing people, doing contact tracing,” said the official, who declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the announcement. “We want to beef up state capacity to be able to perform core functions, so that if and when we start to open the country back up, we don’t have a resurgence of cases to require the country to shut back down.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/...action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

seems very sensible to me

I’m still generally skeptical of how contract tracing will be effective in the wild, the concept itself is appealing. Glad to see real actions are being taken to reopen the economy that balance the risk factors of a second wave.
 
Effectively we are taking people off the unemployment rolls to work as tracers. When you think about it that way, the incremental cost is minimal.

I can certainly follow and agree with this explanation.

Still think it'll be inefficient. You could just give the whole budget to more than a few hundred people or fund other small businesses to keep their staff on the payroll.
 
Effectively we are taking people off the unemployment rolls to work as tracers. When you think about it that way, the incremental cost is minimal.

I’m curious what the incentive will be for the unemployed to work as contact tracers. The compensation difference can’t be “minimal”.

But maybe I am underestimating human nature.
 
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